Unstoppable migration?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Excellent read

It is indeed.

[Osem]

I was listening to an Italian guy on the radio yesterday. He was explaining the effects of this migration on the area he comes from which he visits regularly. It's not rocket science and it is entirely predictable but he talks of large numbers of migrants sleeping rough, begging, intimidating local people, stealing etc. Once quiet, safe, communities effectively under siege by people from all over Africa and beyond.

Nobody in power seems too concerned about any of this, however. They're happy to admit countless thousands of people to wander through Europe trying to survive in one way or another with no thought for where they might wind up, what's going to be done to support them and how host communities are supposed to deal with the inevitable problems they cause. Their heads have been filled with stuff about the west which bears little resemblance to reality and they want to believe it, hence are prepared to take huge risks to get here. Once in the hands of the traffickers they're in no position to argue about anything by all accounts so it's a fait accompli - they're put on leaky boats, murdered, beaten and/or abandoned. I don't blame the migrants one jot. I blame the policy makers who have seen this situation unfolding and done nothing about it. I blame the people who dole out foreign aid to corrupt despots instead of ensuring that aid is used to assist the people who're really suffering. I blame the unwillingness to tackle the traffickers who are largely responsible for this evil trade. People can say what they like about taking in people but there will come a point when enough is enough and if we wait until then to do something permanent damage will have been done to our way of life which cannot be reversed. I really can't help thinking that if all the migrants decided to set up camp where the great and the good live and work something would soon be done about it. Yes, I don't suppose they'd take too kindly to having their property, holiday homes, estates and local facilities swamped by people who have little or nothing in common with them and are going to find it extremely hard to live let alone contribute much. Whilst the main effects are limited to certain areas of Greece, Italy and even France, it's easy for them to turn a blind eye but they have no plan to control, disperse, assist or assimilate these migrants and are therefore simply storing up huge problems which will erupt sooner or later. The fact is that the longer this is allowed to continue the more people will be tempted to come.

Given all the long term costs (social and economic) of dealing with this huge influx of people, maybe the least worst way forward would be to blockade the areas from which they're departing and hope that the message eventually gets home to those who would follow.

[Osem]

The EU has set out a package of measures to try to ease the migrant boat crisis in the Mediterranean.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32383126

[Pierre]

They need to take the Australian way, go out there and turn the boats back. Rescue them if need be and drop them off back were they originated from.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Pierre

They need to take the Australian way, go out there and turn the boats back. Rescue them if need be and drop them off back were they originated from.

There doesn't seem to be much doubt that it has worked but I wouldn't know how comparable the 2 situations are in terms of the forces driving the refugees and their numbers.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

I was listening to an Italian guy on the radio yesterday. <snip>

Good rant

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Pierre, you have hit the nail on the head. This is what should happen, trouble is that the only people that are going to be happy about this. And that is the traffickers.
The migrants are paying money to the traffickers, and bingo. All the traffickers are going to do is increase the amount of boats, and make money.

I do feel sad for the migrants, but you have to draw the line, Australia might be taking a tough line. But this is the only way to stop it.

What l cannot understand is that what government forces should be doing is to go after the traffickers.

[heero_yuy]

Our fault for interfering again: You can be sure that if Gadaffi was still in charge there'd be no migrant problem originating from Libya.

Much as we despised the Middle East despots and tyrants they did keep their countries in order. Now we reap the rewards of meddling and leaving a mess.

[Osem]

Yes it does look like that doesn't it. The whole migration thing is another example of the same flawed thinking. We can't help/save/give refuge to all the world's long suffering and needy but nobody seems willing to say that. The more refuge we give, the more people will seek it. The more people we save, the more people will risk it. It makes me laugh that we have people here banging on about how bad things are for the poor, elderly, vulnerable, unemployed etc. yet these same people don't seem to consider just how much worse things will be for those groups if we go down the route of taking large numbers of refugees and thereby attracting more. It's bizarre...

[Arthurgray50@blu]

What made me laugh this morning on Sky, the reporter said that the migrants DONT want to stay in Italy, or any other country they land in.

They want to head for Germany, France and Calais - I wonder why, what is just over the sea - Yes, you have guessed it, grand old UK

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What made me laugh this morning on Sky, the reporter said that the migrants DONT want to stay in Italy, or any other country they land in.

They want to head for Germany, France and Calais - I wonder why, what is just over the sea - Yes, you have guessed it, grand old UK

Grand old UK, with its global reputation for open doors, free housing and no-questions-asked healthcare entitlement. A reputation forged between 1997 and 2010 by the deliberate action of your beloved Labour Party.

Arthur, you really just don't get it, do you? Labour doesn't care about white, working class men like you. They are engaged in a generational social experiment, paid for out of your taxes, in the hope of creating a culturally diverse, left-leaning client group that will perpetually vote Labour.

You owe them nothing, and they certainly don't think they owe you anything. Don't support them.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

Grand old UK, with its global reputation for open doors, free housing and no-questions-asked healthcare entitlement. A reputation forged between 1997 and 2010 by the deliberate action of your beloved Labour Party.

Arthur, you really just don't get it, do you? Labour doesn't care about white, working class men like you. They are engaged in a generational social experiment, paid for out of your taxes, in the hope of creating a culturally diverse, left-leaning client group that will perpetually vote Labour.

You owe them nothing, and they certainly don't think they owe you anything. Don't support them.

Very well put

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Why bring Labour into this argument. Over the past FIVE years that the coalition have been in power, they have had the golden opportunity to stop migrants coming into this country, illegally.

You want to watch documentaries on Border Control, and the amount of people that come into thios country, via Lorries.

The coalition cut border gaurds, and it is more easy to get into this country. Just look at the camps at Calais, watch all the migrants trying to jump onto Lorries or slit the sides of Lorries to get over here

France done the right thing by doing away with those camps.

These poor migrants that have been targeted by traffickers deserve a better life. But this country should do what Australia has done - don't let them in.

The UK, Is the best country for compassion, and charity. Despite the poor finances. But we have to look at other ways of controlling it, and sadly the Coalition have totally lost the plot.

People may think l am cruel, but I am looking at the fact that this country will sink. Or would people like all the gates left open and let people walk in

[Osem]

Wise words wasted on Arthur I'm afraid. He's the sort of person Labour loves, he'll vote for them come what may, no matter what damage they do to society and our economy.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Why bring Labour into this argument.

Because they CREATED the problem! Jeez Arthur are you really so in denial?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Over the past FIVE years that the coalition have been in power, they have had the golden opportunity to stop migrants coming into this country, illegally.

And during Labour's THIRTEEN years in power they could have done something.

Tell me Arthur do you think Labour had anything to do with encouraging migrants?