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June 8th General Election
View Poll Results: Who would you vote for on 8th June?
Conservatives 47 48.96%
Labour 24 25.00%
Liberal Democrats 9 9.38%
UKIP 4 4.17%
Greens 2 2.08%
Other 5 5.21%
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Old 18-05-2017, 15:56   #556
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OK having had chance to think about the proposed changes in social care rules I see a big problem for those people who're live in carers for their parent(s) at home but are now going to face the prospect (if extra care in the home is needed) of finding the house they've lived in and previously would have inherited could well have to be sold after their parents die. It may not be many people in this situation but I do think if we're going to expect family members to sacrifice their lives to care for their parents, we can't then penalise them additionally for so doing. Where are these people supposed to live and on what when their caring role ends? £100k isn't going to go very far for someone who has no job and nowhere to live is it. It seems to me this will just mean that less people will want/be able to care for their parents.
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Old 18-05-2017, 21:09   #557
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OK having had chance to think about the proposed changes in social care rules I see a big problem for those people who're live in carers for their parent(s) at home but are now going to face the prospect (if extra care in the home is needed) of finding the house they've lived in and previously would have inherited could well have to be sold after their parents die. It may not be many people in this situation but I do think if we're going to expect family members to sacrifice their lives to care for their parents, we can't then penalise them additionally for so doing. Where are these people supposed to live and on what when their caring role ends? £100k isn't going to go very far for someone who has no job and nowhere to live is it. It seems to me this will just mean that less people will want/be able to care for their parents.
It's also a bit of a lottery. We don't know how long each of us will live or what conditions we may get when we're older and some of us will get to protect our assets as we remain in good health and others less so. I would prefer we all contribute via a rise in national insurance to pay for social care. It's how we handle other healthcare after all, we all pay but some need it more than others.

Still this is better than nothing and since the Tories will actually be the government it's at least a start in addressing the issue.

The Tories know they'll win so it's good they get to be a bit more realistic but at the same time they apparently have barely costed their manifesto. There is a touch of arrogance there as well (they've also banned Sky News from the campaign for some reason).
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It's also a bit of a lottery. We don't know how long each of us will live or what conditions we may get when we're older and some of us will get to protect our assets as we remain in good health and others less so. I would prefer we all contribute via a rise in national insurance to pay for social care. It's how we handle other healthcare after all, we all pay but some need it more than others.

Still this is better than nothing and since the Tories will actually be the government it's at least a start in addressing the issue. The Tories know they'll win so it's good they get to be a bit more realistic but at the same time they apparently have barely costed their manifesto. There is a touch of arrogance there as well (they've also banned Sky News from the campaign for some reason).
This issue had to be addressed and for Corbyn to claim Labour will take care of it as though it's an NHS issue is disingenuous as they have no such proposals in their manifesto.

I believe in the NHS and feel that care for dementia patients etc. should be treated no differently from care for those with say diabetes or HIV for example. The cost should come out of general taxation and whilst that's not 100% fair, it's as fair as it gets.
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This issue had to be addressed and for Corbyn to claim Labour will take care of it as though it's an NHS issue is disingenuous as they have no such proposals in their manifesto.

I believe in the NHS and feel that care for dementia patients etc. should be treated no differently from care for those with say diabetes or HIV for example. The cost should come out of general taxation and whilst that's not 100% fair, it's as fair as it gets.
Yeah but for some reason political parties seem scared to announce tax rises. Even Labour, with this leadership, are limiting tax rises to the over £85,000 bands. I think almost everyone would need to pay more really, maybe excluding the lowest earners.
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Really pleased I did not waste 2 hours of my time watching the ITV leaders debate tonight. (No Jeremy Corbyn, No Theresa May). (Truth be told I didn't actually know there was one until now but I still would not have watched it if I was aware it was on). I can't stand Nicola Sturgeon.
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Yeah but for some reason political parties seem scared to announce tax rises. Even Labour, with this leadership, are limiting tax rises to the over £85,000 bands. I think almost everyone would need to pay more really, maybe excluding the lowest earners.
I think they haven't quite realised that people have wised up to all the false promises of better services etc and lower taxes which we've all heard before. People want want decent services and I think realise they have to be paid for so I feel that those politicians who are up front about the reality of tax* rises won't be quite so harshly judged.


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I could look look back and begrudge the fact that Osem Jnr now has to live with a 5 figure debt for his higher education when I was paid for the privilege (albeit not very much) but I accept that these things have a value and there's no better way of devaluing anything than making it free...
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You read all the things about money. education and the NHS. and you see that Theresa has thrown in bringing back fox hunting by way of a vote. and you think WTF?

Just goes to show what these people are all about.

it's a bit like her throwing in having their shoes cleaned by little homeless kids by way of a vote.

never liked the old fool with the wonky walk.
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There are a number of Tory MPs that are still campaigning for the return of fox hunting and she's dealt with it with the pledge to hold a vote on it an easy way to placate a few moaners with no chance of the vote bringing it back. I think the costing of the manifesto is something that needs a bit more detail and I'm hoping we get more on that soon. I think the issue with sky news is more about the murdoch press in general as May is not a huge fan of rupert murdoch but time will tell.
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(they've also banned Sky News from the campaign for some reason).
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"Since early in the election campaign, Sky News has not been getting live interviews on election issues with Conservative ministers," a spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. "Also, we weren’t initially invited to follow the leader’s tour. We understand this to be because members of the prime minister’s team are unhappy with aspects of our political coverage. Sky News stands by its journalism and is committed to fair, impartial, and accurate reporting of all the political parties."
One source also claimed Sky News did not receive advance briefing of the Conservatives' manifesto launch on Thursday, despite some friendly newspapers being given previews of some policies.
The highly unusual intervention comes after a number of confrontations between the channel and Theresa May's team. On the first day of the snap election campaign, when at short notice the prime minister announced a public statement on an unknown topic in Downing Street, veteran presenter Adam Boulton speculated on air that one possible explanation could be her health.
Moments later Boulton – who is nicknamed Bunter – received a text message from Downing Street chief of staff Fiona Hill, saying: "You might want to tell Bunter that he should watch what he is saying about my boss's health, utterly unfounded and untrue." He immediately read the message out on air.
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Really pleased I did not waste 2 hours of my time watching the ITV leaders debate tonight. (No Jeremy Corbyn, No Theresa May). (Truth be told I didn't actually know there was one until now but I still would not have watched it if I was aware it was on). I can't stand Nicola Sturgeon.
You are obviously a man of impeccable taste.

Can't see the point of a "debate" when the two leading players are absent. I didn't watch it but from what I've heard it was a load of lefty hot air and nonsense from a bunch of no hopers.
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You are obviously a man of impeccable taste.

Can't see the point of a "debate" when the two leading players are absent. I didn't watch it but from what I've heard it was a load of lefty hot air and nonsense from a bunch of no hopers.
i watched the green'y intro speech but had to turn it over when the welsh idiot [ plaid cymru] started bad mouthing all and sundry .
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Ah, the Losers Debate. Didn't bother with it. Apparently didn't miss much.
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i watched the green'y intro speech but had to turn it over when the welsh idiot [ plaid cymru] started bad mouthing all and sundry .
Oh she was horrible.
such a stereotypical act of the Welsh she did there. makes it look like the Welsh just whine and moan about everybody else with a grumpy straight face all the time.

I'm sure they don't.
they just sound like they do.
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Oh she was horrible.
such a stereotypical act of the Welsh she did there. makes it look like the Welsh just whine and moan about everybody else with a grumpy straight face all the time.

I'm sure they don't.
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