Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I would say Andrew gives a balanced view and has presented both pros and cons of Brexit. It's unusual for posters on here !

Agreed, Andrew shows far more objectivity than most on here and manages to rise above the name calling.

Originally Posted by daveeb

Agreed, Andrew shows far more objectivity than most on here and manages to rise above the name calling.

What name calling? You must be reading the wrong forum.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Totally agree. He can't help it if there are more cons than pros.

You have no idea how many cons and pros there will be. I am sure everyone knows there will be 'some' issues but is is a price worth paying than staying in a failing entity, which is what it is.

Big con staying in a place that is not economically balanced, only 10 countries making net contributions out of 28?

Soon to be 27 or even 26, as there is big tensions between Poland and the EU at the moment, Polexit is looking like a certainty.

The other pathetic issue is, Jean-Claude Juncker was hinting at the possibility of still allowing Turkey to join the EU, which is showing their desperation given how Turkey's President now has more dictatorial powers, which is totally against EU membership criteria.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

What name calling? You must be reading the wrong forum.

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You have no idea how many cons and pros there will be. I am sure everyone knows there will be 'some' issues but is is a price worth paying than staying in a failing entity, which is what it is.

Big con staying in a place that is not economically balanced, only 10 countries making net contributions out of 28?

Soon to be 27 or even 26, as there is big tensions between Poland and the EU at the moment, Polexit is looking like a certainty.

The other pathetic issue is, Jean-Claude Juncker was hinting at the possibility of still allowing Turkey to join the EU, which is showing their desperation given how Turkey's President now has more dictatorial powers, which is totally against EU membership criteria.

Some won't admit there will be any possible 'pros' resulting from Brexit. They just peddle the 'life outside the EU will be dire' line endlessly. The rest of us know there will be gains and losses and the extent of these will be determined by the EU's intransigence since they're the ones making all the pre-trade talks demands.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

Some won't admit there will be any possible 'pros' resulting from Brexit. They just peddle the 'life outside the EU will be dire' line endlessly. The rest of us know there will be gains and losses and the extent of these will be determined by the EU's intransigence since they're the ones making all the pre-trade talks demands.

Another blinkered response to add to the pile. If you had read the post you would have seen that it said pros and cons

[Mr K]

Lib Dem leader claims older voters with views coloured by nostalgia for an imperial past have ‘shafted’ younger pro-EU generation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

No great fan of the old duffer, but don't think I've ever agreed with a politician more. God help our kids as we really have messed it up for them. At least we've given them a nice ever warming climate...

[Mr K]

Oh and a decent health service with no staff...

Janet Davies, chief executive of the nurses' union, said some EU workers were already leaving and hospitals would not be able to cope if significant numbers followed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7879056.html

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I cannot believe you are still peddling this BS. Change the record FFS.

Not BS. In fact, Alan Sugar - is now calling for Boris and Gove to have a criminal record for their lies

Lord Sugar, a former Labour peer who now sits with no party, said the pair should “100 per cent absolutely be thrown in jail for claiming the NHS would be £350 million richer if Britain left the EU.
“I mean, absolutely. Or at least they should have a criminal record,” he told BBC Radio 5 Live’s Emma Barnett show when asked whether the Tory ministers should be imprisoned.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7877601.html

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Agreed: the Tories talked about reintroduction in their party manifesto but of course it would be conditional on the free parliamentary vote.

Mick, can you agree with this?

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

No great fan of the old duffer, but don't think I've ever agreed with a politician more. God help our kids as we really have messed it up for them. At least we've given them a nice ever warming climate...

First of all....these so called kids caring about the environment?

Stop taking the piss, remember Glastonbury Music Festival, where Corbyn preaching about saving the Earth, to these kids, blah blah?

Remember the scene after the event. Rubbish left everywhere by these caring kids you speak of.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gl...-a3572861.html

Clean-up teams have begun the mammoth task of clearing the heaps of filth and rubbish left by revellers after Glastonbury Festival.

Worthy Farm was once again left looking like a dump with tonnes of litter strewn across muddy fields and the site’s 15,000 bins overflowing with waste.

Despite organisers urging the 200,000 festival-goers to pack up and take their tents home, many campers left them scattered across the West Country farm.

On Monday, litter pickers were seen collecting leftover drink cans, bottles and food waste from the ground in front of the Pyramid stage after a weekend of non-stop trampling by thousands of fans.

Yeah sure, the young care about the environment. The pictures taken after the event, showing the rubbish strewn all over the place, left by the young, show this is total bollocks.

Secondly, no, the old people have not messed up anything for the young at all. The EU is a failing pile of garbage. #StillNoRegrets

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

First of all....these so called kids caring about the environment?

Stop taking the piss, remember Glastonbury Music Festival, where Corbyn preaching about saving the Earth, to these kids, blah blah?

Remember the scene after the event. Rubbish left everywhere by these caring kids you speak of.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gl...-a3572861.html

Yeah sure, the young care about the environment. The pictures taken after the event, showing the rubbish strewn all over the place, left by the young, show this is total bollocks.

Secondly, no, the old people have not messed up anything for the young at all. The EU is a failing pile of garbage. #StillNoRegrets

Where has Mr K said anything about kids caring for the environment? That statement's not just a straw man it's a Wicker Man

More rumours on the size of the settlement bill. This time round, it's looking like about four years' net contributions. For balance, I present another source denying the rumour.

Britain is prepared to pay up to £36 billion to the EU to settle the so-called Brexit divorce bill, The Telegraph can reveal.

Senior Whitehall officials have concluded that such an offer - the first time a precise figure has been proposed - is the only way to break the current deadlock in negotiations.
However, the UK will only agree to pay the sum - equivalent to €40 billion - it if the EU agrees to negotiate the financial settlement as part of a deal on future relations, including a trade deal.
There separate sources in Whitehall and government with knowledge of the UK’s negotiating strategy confirmed the figure, dismissing previous reports that Theresa May would agree to a £50bn bill as “too high”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...u-talks-trade/

However, a senior government source told Sky News that the report was "not correct at all".
They said they had "no idea" where the speculation had come from.

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-prepare...ports-10976372

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Where has Mr K said anything about kids caring for the environment?

Open your eyes Andrew.

Mr K, said at the end of the post in question, about us giving the young a nicer warmer climate, insinuating that the old don't care about the climate changes and the environment. I just demonstrated this to be total nonsense.

And what's this silly obsession with calling every other post that you don't agree with, a 'straw man argument' ?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Open your eyes Andrew.

Mr K, said at the end of the post in question, about us giving the young a nicer warmer climate, insinuating that the old don't care about the climate changes and the environment. I just demonstrated this to be total nonsense.

And what's this silly obsession with calling every other post that you don't agree with, a 'straw man argument' ?

Mr K said sarcastically "At least we've given them a nice ever warming climate..." suggesting that we've contributed to global warming.

Your reply to him says "First of all....these so called kids caring about the environment?" and then go on to criticise them for littering Glastonbury.

Mr K has never said that the so-called kids have cared about the environment. You make this argument yourself then proceed to pull it apart. That's the definition of a straw man argument.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not BS. In fact, Alan Sugar - is now calling for Boris and Gove to have a criminal record for their lies

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7877601.html

Sigh, for the 5464464646th time, they did not tell lies, they did not make any promises, it was a suggestion, "Let's give" is totally different to "We will give".

You remainers clutch at the slightest detail because it still bothers you why the remain side lost.

And suggesting we lock up MPs for telling porkies. The House of Commons chamber would be practically empty if we were to listen to Sugar.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Sigh, for the 5464464646th time, they did not tell lies, they did not make any promises, it was a suggestion, "Let's give" is totally different to "We will give".

You remainers clutch at the slightest detail because it still bothers you why the remain side lost.

And suggesting we lock up MPs for telling porkies. The House of Commons chamber would be practically empty if we were to listen to Sugar.

You're skipping the first line of the statement, which was the lie. We do not send £350m to Brussels every week, it's under £250 million a week. https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're skipping the first line of the statement, which was the lie. We do not send £350m to Brussels every week, it's under £250 million a week. https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/

I'm not skipping anything.

I'm well aware of the true figure. But it still was not a promise.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I'm not skipping anything.

I'm well aware of the true figure. But it still was not a promise.

It was not a promise, it was a lie as we don't send that amount to Brussels.