Saddam Hussein Executed - Page 15

Mr Angry · 07-11-2006, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Perhaps because it was easier to put it the way she did than name the individuals in saddam's regime who are also being tried, along with their individual charges?

Right, so now we're agreed it's not specifically "therein a specific reference to Saddam and therefore the crimes he has been accused of" but a select (undetermined and unnamed by Mrs Beckett) grouping?

I'll save the writing to her for a while yet - she seems to be having trouble enough with her spoken english without me compounding her misery.;-)

Punky, there's no harm in wading in at all. I'm merely contending, based on the facts available to me, that this "faux pas", if indeed that is all that it is / was, is causing some very considerable consternation and worry among troops and contractors currently serving in Iraq.

I'm away.

punky · 07-11-2006, 21:57

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

you'll be confused. they tend to publish a range of pro and anti war commentaries ;-)

You aren't the first person to say that, but I still don't really believe it. I've done another search on their site, but nothing obvious comes up.

**Damien** · 07-11-2006, 23:03

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Originally Posted by punky

You aren't the first person to say that, but I still don't really believe it. I've done another search on their site, but nothing obvious comes up.

Usually in their opinion sections. I find the guardian quite good and balanced actually. Its the Inderpendent which is so incredibly biased. Really unfair front pages as well, In the summer they had a interview with a mum of a dead solider and she was saying how he didnt want to go to war so the headline was (something like: )

"I dont want to go kill those children" (children i guess being the youngish terrorists, around 15 as opposed to 5 or what have you, but still)

****ed me right off, He joined the army so he goes where the government sends him and the paper chose the most emotional part of the interview

SlackDad · 13-11-2006, 11:38

Interesting comment from the excellent Medialens on the press response to Saddam's trial.

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In other words, the response in Iraq was, of course, mixed. But both the BBC and the New York Times chose a focus that presented the verdict as a joyous success for the occupying forces.

Although Britain outlawed the death penalty 40 years ago, the editors of the Independent had few qualms about the former tyrant's fate:

"Shed no tears for Saddam. He was undoubtedly guilty of mass murder... The chemical weapons attack he ordered on the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988 alone killed at least 5,000." (Leader, 'Justice in Baghdad - It's too late for the conviction of Saddam to help heal Iraq,' The Independent, November 6, 2006)

It was predictable that Halabja would be mentioned. It was equally predictable that crucial context would be missing. In the same edition of the paper, the Independent's outspoken reporter Robert Fisk noted some of the things that Saddam had not been allowed to comment on in his trial: "sales of [British and American] chemicals to his Nazi-style regime so blatant - so appalling - that he has been sentenced to hang on a localised massacre of Shias rather than the wholesale gassing of Kurds over which George W Bush and Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara were so exercised when they decided to depose Saddam". (Fisk, 'This was a guilty verdict on America as well,' The Independent, November 6, 2006)

Fisk's point was obvious, and vital for anyone who cares about democracy and honest government. But the Independent editorial turned a blind eye to it.

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poolking · 30-12-2006, 00:50

Just had a breaking news thingie from CNN news, he's going to be executed today.

Mr Angry · 30-12-2006, 01:04

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Originally Posted by poolking

Just had a breaking news thingie from CNN news, he's going to be executed today.

Hooray!! for democracy, justice and the "rule of law" etc etc etc.

**Maggy** · 30-12-2006, 01:12

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Originally Posted by poolking

Just had a breaking news thingie from CNN news, he's going to be executed today.

What you been doing all day YESTERDAY?They have been going on about it all of Friday...very tedious it's been too.They have interviewed everyone about it including his defence lawyer.Everyone's been very cagey about it.The US still have him, the Iraqis have him ,his personal effects are available to his solicitor,it's anytime in the next month,it's today(friday) it's in the next 24 hours,the papers are ready......

What is it about 24 hours news?they have to invent new forms of hyperbole because they cannot stop trying to be more and more exciting, unfortunately they just end up making news dull and tedious through repitition.

poolking · 30-12-2006, 01:13

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

What you been doing all day YESTERDAY?They have been going on about it all of Friday...very tedious it's been too.They have interviewed everyone about it including his defence lawyer.Everyone's been very cagey about it.The US still have him, the Iraqis have him ,his personal effects are available to his solicitor,it's anytime in the next month,it's today(friday) it's in the next 24 hours,the papers are ready......

What is it about 24 hours news?they have to invent new forms of hyperbole because they cannot stop trying to be more and more exciting, unfortunately they just end up making news dull and tedious through repitition.

Erm because I don't watch that much television at the moment and when I do I don't normally watch the news.

**Maggy** · 30-12-2006, 02:19

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Originally Posted by poolking

Erm because I don't watch that much television at the moment and when I do I don't normally watch the news.

Sorry for being brusque but the media just seem to have gone overboard on this one item.At least there is no danger of them affecting the outcome unlike all the speculating about the Suffolk murders.

willie · 30-12-2006, 03:11

Just heard on news he has been executed

lostandconfused · 30-12-2006, 05:20

ok so they've got rid of the head honcho if the news is to be believed, but what about all the others?
im sure saddam didnt personally authorise all of the killings that went on, he wouldnt have any time to enjoy his many wives or the shiny gold bathrooms.
do the people in his administration get the same treatment or do they get a lesser sentance beacause they were acting in his name?

im not calling for a witchunt of anyone that ever knew him to executed but clearly his government should be investigated and treated in the same way?

greencreeper · 30-12-2006, 07:02

BBC News website is announcing that he has been hanged. May well make him a martyr - pin-up for all the Middle Eastern nutters.

Virgin Mary · 30-12-2006, 07:31

They could keep him locked up for ever. It's barbaric to hang a man.

Mr_love_monkey · 30-12-2006, 08:19

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Originally Posted by Lobster Ring

They could keep him locked up for ever. It's barbaric to hang a man.

bit of a moot point in this case now....

Russ · 30-12-2006, 08:53

BBC News have just shown a clip of him being put in the gallows

He looks so calm....