Pay frozen for third year running

[danielf]

Originally Posted by martyh

To be fair i assumed that the question was aimed at our resident left wing fantasist who could have won a Olympic medal yesterday with the speed of back peddling he did when it was pointed out that his Gods (AKA union leaders) where as wealthy and as bent in their tax affairs as some of the present government .....i think he's still licking his wounds

Yes. I haven't read the whole thread, but you can't expect all so-called lefties to justify the inane drivel posted by one or two Morons (which is what Ramrod appeared to be asking).

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Indeed it is (sorry for that).......but in light of the rabid left wing tax avoidance=tax evasion rants in this thread, what's wrong with my requests (that you have nicely summarised above)?

See above.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yep, his absence is......interesting

i would have said a welcome relief ,although less amusing sanity seems to have come out to play today

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by danielf

Yes. I haven't read the whole thread, but you can't expect all so-called lefties to justify the inane drivel posted by one or two Morons (which is what Ramrod appeared to be asking).

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See above.

I am asking the lefties who have been foaming at the mouth in this thread to justify their leaders actions.
But I will settle for any lefties at a pinch!

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Originally Posted by martyh

i would have said a welcome relief ,although less amusing sanity seems to have come out to play today

I know. Sometimes you just can't have it all

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I am asking the lefties who have been foaming at the mouth in this thread to justify their leaders actions.

That's more like it

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by danielf

That's more like it

.........and with the exception of The Daddy ( Who wasn't one of them, ) they haven't

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

.........and with the exception of The Daddy ( Who wasn't one of them, ) they haven't

Well, a Moron is a Moron, regardless of political persuasion

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by danielf

Well, a Moron is a Moron, regardless of political persuasion

True. Wish I was clevererer

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I know that this is too much to hope for but I really would like to see our left wing contingent ease off the anti tax avoidance rhetoric. Doesn't the fact that your esteemed leaders are avoiding tax give you pause for thought? Perhaps tax avoidance isn't all that bad? Perhaps the fact that it's legal (till the tax man decides bits of it aren't) and the labour bigwigs indulge in it means that you should stop frothing at the mouth about it?

Tell me what's good about the Pearson group lending itself $430 million, charging itself $40 million a year in interest, getting a tax break in the US for it and paying no tax here at all. HMRC said it was breath taking and pushed the boundaries of avoidance to the very limit and set about coming up with a cosy little Vodaphone type deal with them. That's what I mean about tax avoidance, not someone claiming for personal allowances and the like.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

True. Wish I was clevererer

Me to

which one of is us he calling a moron...

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Originally Posted by danielf

Ermm, as far as I can tell you're the only one banging on about it. I certainly am not going to rise to the occasion to say what Mr. Ramrod thinks persons left of centre should be saying. Talk about a straw man... Oh, and I'd hardly call these chaps my 'leaders'. I hate Labour. Bloody fascists

Funnily enough I'm no fan of Labour either, never voted for them and never will until the become a proper socialist party again.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Tell me what's good about the Pearson group lending itself $430 million, charging itself $40 million a year in interest, getting a tax break in the US for it and paying no tax here at all. HMRC said it was breath taking and pushed the boundaries of avoidance to the very limit and set about coming up with a cosy little Vodaphone type deal with them.

If it's legal then live and let live The reason companies & individuals can do that type of stuff is that the tax laws are so complicated. Who made them complicated? The government(s).

That's what I mean about tax avoidance, not someone claiming for personal allowances and the like.

It's a little more than claiming personal allowances though. Livingstone set up a company, maxed out what he could pay his other half etc.....

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

If it's legal then live and let live The reason companies & individuals can do that type of stuff is that the tax laws are so complicated. Who made them complicated? The government(s). It's a little more than claiming personal allowances though. Livingstone set up a company, maxed out what he could pay his other half etc.....

Yes and it wouldn't stick in the throat quite so much if he hadn't spent so long whining about others (usually Tories and City fat cats) doing the same or similar in order to avoid tax. It really is hypocrisy of the first order.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Arthur, looking at the bright side, those 1.6 million council workers may have had a pay freeze, but they have jobs. A lot of people don't.

Not that I am saying everything is all right. It's not. You are right, a lot of big companies are increasing prices to customers, reducing staffing levels, offshoring what remaining staff they can, all while reporting record profit levels (Tescos for instance).

Someone (the Government, presumably) needs to bring these companies back into line. By making it harder to send jobs off shore, and taking action to bring pricing to reasonable levels.

In short, the Government needs to do a lot more to protect the voter. You know, the people who put them in power.. I do think our current Government is failing in that duty, but this isn't a party political thing. I think successive Governments since at least the 80s have failed to do this. I don't know about the 60s or before, but it seemed as though Governments in the 70s also failed to protect the voter in this way, but they favoured the Unions rather than business.

Yes, but those 1.6 million are struggling, along with millions more out of work, all because of the fault of wealthy and major business!!!

It is about time governments cared more about unions (and people) than business and that is the fault of Labour, Lib Dem and Tory!

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Originally Posted by martyh

By whose definition are you not rich?
judging by the amount of hardware you have to watch tv you are considerably richer that I .Also the amount of time you spend on this forum i would suggest you don't have much of a job ,if one at all,or one that demands very few hours for a large wage .I look at that evidence and wonder how you have the gall to comment on wealthy people who do at least provide jobs even low paid jobs and quite probably provided you with the means to be able to afford
100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other premium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD

maybe someone could enlighten as to exactly what the cost of all that is because i bet it's quite a lot and i also bet you have 5 realy nice HD TV's to watch it all on and a top of the range pc/laptop/ipad/tablet with which to post your hypochritical drivel on ......oh and not to mention the 5 rooms in which to place all that hardware so it must be quite some house you live in .
You appear to be one of those people who in your ideal, single government ruled world who would be more equa than most others
Feel free to correct me if i am wrong

I am fairly wealthy, but I’m not rich, if I was then it would be living in Surry and Central London, also I would have dozens of TV’s as well, along with a lot of other things!

I agree that the rich provide jobs, but not many and nearly all low paid, and yet they attack us even more by forcing us to pay the price for their mistakes and their failed system

I do spend a lot of time on CF, but I spend a lot of time at work!
I was lucky, I come from an era were social mobility was common and sadly it is not the case!

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Student at university i think you will find, Its all in his twitter feed, There's lots of info on him if your willing to drill down through the rubbish and requests to kill people on there.

What you do not get is that it has been a very long time since I went to uni!

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Originally Posted by martyh

Oooohh ,so maybe it is wealthy parents funding him .I find it strange that someone who has not had to fend for himself in the real world by finding a job and living off that wage feels that he is qualified to tell all of us how broken the system is and how to fix it

I have come from an era when people could climb up the social ladders, when that is no longer possible, the system is not working and it failing!!!

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Originally Posted by Osem

Charlie Gilmour ring any bells? There are plenty of others like him who like to talk the talk whilst enjoying the privileges derived from the wealth they say they despise but, judging by our resident fantasist's spelling, if any money was spent on public school it was wasted.... You wait and see, if/when he grows up he'll be just as capitalist as all the others are....

I am closer to his dads age, my parents were not wealthy (but not poor) and the only times I have been to a public school has been as a tourist!

Unlike out PM!

I am a capitalist, but someone who believes in a better form of it!

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Actually, tax avoidance must be ok with socialist lefties.......no matter what they say: Mr Livingstone has avoided at least £50,000 in tax by having himself paid through a personal company.

What Ken has done is not good!

But Boris is still worse!

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Let's not forget David Miliband carries out this practice as well.

I am not keen on David Milliband, we do not need another Tony Blair!

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond

This current mess isn't the fault of bankers alone. People actually borrowed money couldn't afford to repay and all for yhings they probably didn't need.

If the general population could repay its debts we in all honesty would all be be nowhere near as bad as this.

Thats beacuse their wages did not rise!

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

What I want to hear is the left wingers here who have been ranting on about tax avoidance being as bad as tax evasion acknowledging that perhaps it isn't.....since their own 'leaders' are doing it.......and perhaps acknowledging the monumental hypocrisy of those same left wing leaders.
Too much to ask?.......probably

Thoses "Leaders" have sold out the the rich and powerful, just ask Blair, but business and the wealthy do it even more than our so called leaders!!!

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I am fairly wealthy, but I’m not rich, if I was then it would be living in Surry and Central London, also I would have dozens of TV’s as well, along with a lot of other things!

You do realise by being fairly wealthy you are in the 1% you so despise?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by gazzae

You do realise by being fairly wealthy you are in the 1% you so despise?

Warning! Warning! That does not compute.... does not compute..... does not compute.....

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by gazzae

You do realise by being fairly wealthy you are in the 1% you so despise?

I am in the top 5%, but not in the 1%, so i can still claim to be a member of the 99%

My children for example have to pay thousands in fees just to get into university

My point is that if I WAS RICH, it would have dozens of STB's, hundreds of cars, many mansions and meeting with the PM about selling the NHS!

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yeeees.......but don't you think that you are letting your left wing brethren off the hook just a little easily? Shouldn't you be railing against their hypocritical 'cheating' ways a little more vigorously?

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..................and it's strange how all the other lefties are suddenly suspiciously absent from this thread.....

I agrre that BOTH Left and Right Wingers should not be evading tax, but remember the worst suspects are the rich and major companies!!

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Originally Posted by martyh

To be fair i assumed that the question was aimed at our resident left wing fantasist who could have won a Olympic medal yesterday with the speed of back peddling he did when it was pointed out that his Gods (AKA union leaders) where as wealthy and as bent in their tax affairs as some of the present government .....i think he's still licking his wounds

For God Sake I am NOT a Fantasist and I have stated that Unions Bosses are paid a bit too much, but as much as some Government roles, along with Heads (and excutives) of major companies and the wealthy!

I stand by what I have said, unions have achived a lot of this country and in mant other countries!!

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Originally Posted by martyh

i would have said a welcome relief ,although less amusing sanity seems to have come out to play today

The only insane people on CF are people like yourself and your friends who not only defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system, but also try to move the agurment in you favour!!!

GET REAL!!!

Itt is the rich and their allies that are the issue, not Union Leaders!!!

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I am in the top 5%, but not in the 1%, so i can still claim to be a member of the 99%

Alan without knowing your financial details it is difficult to say but as you claim to be fairly wealthy and as it only takes a combined income of £86k pa for a family of 4 to be in the 1% then there is a good chance you are.