U.S Election 2016

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I put comments on this forum, which is my own personnel opinion. If members don't like it. You don't have to read the comment, or even reply.

I say what l think. I have been on this plant for 64 years. Been through the poverty years. Seen the hard life.
And at the present time we are going through the worst period that l know.

With the Trump election. People are talking with there voice and feet.

Yes, there's no doubt these times are in every way worse than the actual brink of an actual nuclear standoff in Cuba. Or the three day week, rota power cuts or unburied bodies. Absolutely without question Arthur, these are the worst times you've lived through.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yes, there's no doubt these times are in every way worse than the actual brink of an actual nuclear standoff in Cuba. Or the three day week, rota power cuts or unburied bodies. Absolutely without question Arthur, these are the worst times you've lived through.

If you'd been on a plant for 64 years you'd think the same.

[vincerooney]

Stunning result but as i said on here i predicted it.

The issues which cost Hilary winning:

1) a lot of angry people felt they had been ignored for a while (rightly or wrongly)
2) a lot of b.s rubbish on social media from "bernie fans" ie milleninals or couldnt accept losing. it was absolutely toxic. people who voted against hilary even though they claimed to be democrats

(we are entering a new cult of personality era were political beliefs dont matter but the actual person...look at corbyn in the uk for reference. look at stalin before)

3) General lies from people. Hilarys rather mundane and careless idiocy being rammed up by the social media generation. What hilary did was stupid yes. Careless emails. But its been done for years previously. It was never questioned. Never queried. Makes you question trump saying the media was against him!

[Osem]

I agree in part. The main reason there's been a lurch to the right in politics here, in Europe and the US is because ordinary people have been told what to think and be grateful for what they get for far too long, usually by complete hypocrites who refuse to listen and say one thing whilst doing the other. They're as deluded as they are patronising, simply refusing to accept that the majority don't want more of the same. What they have sown, we are now reaping...

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Just noticed what l have sent - been on a 'plant' for 64 years. ha ha I grow by the day ha ha

[Osem]

Well the Germans are getting all tetchy. They don't seem very keen on Trump or any trade deals the UK might do with the US but maybe that's all about them seeing their position at the top of the EU tree telling everyone else what to do is coming under threat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37936207

Originally Posted by Osem

I agree in part. The main reason there's been a lurch to the right in politics here, in Europe and the US is because ordinary people have been told what to think and be grateful for what they get for far too long, usually by complete hypocrites who refuse to listen and say one thing whilst doing the other. They're as deluded as they are patronising, simply refusing to accept that the majority don't want more of the same. What they have sown, we are now reaping...

Assuming it's a majority would be the same mistake 'they'/'we' made. We've got a divide here. The argument about hypocrisy can be made about pretty much anyone though, it's rare to find someone completely consistent.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Assuming it's a majority would be the same mistake 'they'/'we' made. We've got a divide here. The argument about hypocrisy can be made about pretty much anyone though, it's rare to find someone completely consistent.

I can say without hesitation that I'm totally consistent in my hatred for what Europe's become at the hands of those who always 'know best'...

It's interesting how many times I see/hear the 'nobody expected this to happen' comment from just the sort of people I alluded to above - those who know best on our behalf. 'They' didn't expect it to happen because 'they' can't believe for a second that 'they' could ever be wrong about anything and that 'we' might think differently. That's their biggest problem and look where it's got us.

Every now and then politics needs a good kick up the behind to remind politicians they work for us and not for their own agendas and preferred ambitions i think we're entering a period where that kick is delivered by many on a more regular basis then before. I am certain there is a growing sense of dread creeping into a few politicians in a few western european countries about what upcoming elections will bring and after brexit anti eu parties i think will fancy their chances.

I'm not sure trump is a practical answer to many of the problems the US has but if nothing else he is going to cause a lot of thinking amongst some and maybe even some change so that never again are large groups of people forgotten and marginalised. I still have a sneaking suspicion he might be another Reagan the worst expected when elected but ending up being a decent president trump may yet shock again.

[papa smurf]

The Donald and the Nigel

NIGEL FARAGE has met Donald Trump making him the first British politician to meet the President-elect since his victory.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/731...ks-Theresa-May

The interim Ukip leader is widely being touted for the job of US ambassador to the UK - although Downing Street does not seem so keen.

1) He isn't an American citizen
2) This would mean his main job is representing the US interests first when dealing the UK.
3) It would also mean a giant middle finger to the Government from Trump which would appeal to Trump, Farage and many of his supporters but would be undiplomatic from the President.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

1) He isn't an American citizen
2) This would mean his main job is representing the US interests first when dealing the UK.
3) It would also mean a giant middle finger to the Government from Trump which would appeal to Trump, Farage and many of his supporters but would be undiplomatic from the President.

from the article
On Thursday night, Number 10 said Mr Farage will not be representing Mrs May in any official or unofficial capacity.

Several Conservative Party MPs have urged the Prime Minister not to be too proud to make use of Mr Farage's relationship with the President Elect.

America has the State Department, we have the Foreign Office. Hopefully these manage the relationship. We're not teenagers getting our friends to see if America likes us.

[Pierre]

Sky comment on NATO.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-...fence-10655677

I happen to agree with this and Trumps statements on NATO that he made pre-election.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Sky comment on NATO.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-...fence-10655677

I happen to agree with this and Trumps statements on NATO that he made pre-election.

Me also, lots of misreporting from bad journalism going on here. Trump is NOT against NATO nor is he pulling back from it, but at the same time, he also expects Nations that expect US protection to contribute their fair share.