Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?

The SFA will surely try and give a higher punishment. Expelled from the top league maybe?

[jb66]

What's to stop them going bust, buying a crappy 3rd division English team, renaming them to fc rangers thenmove the stadium back to Glasgow?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Damien

The SFA will surely try and give a higher punishment. Expelled from the top league maybe?

All they can do is the stated punishments of a maximum £100,000 fine, suspension or expulsion from participation in the game, ejection from the Scottish Cup or termination of membership.

The SFA already got a slap for making things up in their previous punishments, and that's after Celtic hired a QC last year that booted them square in the nuts for not following their own rules.

Either they back down, keep the lifetime ban on Craig Whyte having involvement in the game and impose the fine or they go for are harsher punishment and accept any sponsorship and TV deals will be nullified by Rangers not being involved.

[LondonRoad]

FIFA will do what they've done to other National Football Associations when member clubs have resorted to non-Sport Law. They'll tell them to punish Rangers heavily or there will be no international tournaments....

Scottish Fans are reported to delighted at the prospect of avoiding future embarassing occassions

[Derek]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

FIFA will do what they've done to other National Football Associations when member clubs have resorted to non-Sport Law. They'll tell them to punish Rangers heavily or there will be no international tournaments....

Seemingly the SFA don't recognise the Court of Arbitration for Sport as an appeal venue so Rangers were entitled to take the next step in their appeal.
Honestly you couldn't make this up, the SFA are a shambles from top to bottom and this whole incident has shown how much of an amateur hour outfit they are. It took them 18 months to realise Whyte was a shyster despite everyone and their auntie warning them and when they do finally get round to investigating make such a hash of things they get embroiled in court action.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Scottish Fans are reported to delighted at the prospect of avoiding future embarassing occassions

The SFA has been far too busy fretting over the existential threat of Scotsmen playing for Team GB in London this summer...

[Mad Max]

Celtic worked hard this season and would have won it even if Rangers hadn't been deducted points. That is a fact.

Is it??, Rangers lost three games out of four after going into admin', you're not telling me that didn't have an effect on the team, also, would sellik have won the title with such ease if Rangers had not been deducted the points? We will never know, but there is a feeling that if Rangers had still been "in the hunt" would sellik have coped with the pressure?

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Is it??, Rangers lost three games out of four after going into admin', you're not telling me that didn't have an effect on the team, also, would sellik have won the title with such ease if Rangers had not been deducted the points? We will never know, but there is a feeling that if Rangers had still been "in the hunt" would sellik have coped with the pressure?

That's what makes Football so great. Facts can always be set aside and possible outcomes argued.

IMHO Celtic would have won the league but any question of the teams bottle can only put to bed by them winning a game under pressure. The final old firm game of the season (possibly last one ever?)was probably the most one-sided OF game I've seen in many years watching football. Celtic walked it, but they weren't really under pressure.

How many titles in a row would Celtic have won if Rangers hadn't been cheating for over a decade? That's a good one to to debate

[Mad Max]

How many titles in a row would Celtic have won if Rangers hadn't been cheating for over a decade?

And please explain how they "cheated"? if you're deluding to the "big tax" case with regards to the EBT scheme , then nothing on that front has been decided yet, if Rangers are proven to have broken the tax rules, then yes, i'd say that they should be severly punished, but if you can take your green tinted specs off for just one moment, and have a look at the facts, instead of trying to make things up, you would see that Rangers included their employees EBT scheme and all payments made in their annual accounts, if they had "cheated" as you would like to hope was the case, then do you think that they would have come clean about the EBT scheme in their annual accounts?
And just to clarify the situation where people have accused Rangers of not paying their taxes etc, Rangers had never defaulted on any tax payments, and actually paid between £1.2 and £1.5 million pounds per month, for PAYE, National Insurance, and VAT, before Craig Whyte took, he then told the person in charge of those payments to stop making them, Rangers have been hung out to dry by Whyte and the club is suffering because of his actions, he'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life!

[LondonRoad]

Rangers have been found guilty of misusing the EBT scheme. It's the result of the appeal we're waiting for.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Rangers have been found guilty of misusing the EBT scheme. It's the result of the appeal we're waiting for.

The tax man accusing them of misusing the scheme doesn't make them guilty. The tribunal is still to rule which side is right.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek

The tax man accusing them of misusing the scheme doesn't make them guilty. The tribunal is still to rule which side is right.

HMRC hit Rangers with a bill for £24 million. The tribunal is Rangers appeal against Hector's assessment.

http://www.kinsellatax.co.uk/index.p...01returnid=468

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

HMRC hit Rangers with a bill for £24 million. The tribunal is Rangers appeal against Hector's assessment.

http://www.kinsellatax.co.uk/index.p...01returnid=468

That still doesn't make them guilty!! the court will decide if they were involved in any wrong doing, if they win the case then the tax man will have been proved to be wrong in their assessment.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

That still doesn't make them guilty!! the court will decide if they were involved in any wrong doing, if they win the case then the tax man will have been proved to be wrong in their assessment.

I know what you mean but, to be pedantic, as things stand they are guilty of tax avoidance. Only if the first tier tribunal appeal rules in their favour does that status change.
HMRC's assessment is a tax bill for those monies they have determined that RFC(IA) should have paid.

[Mad Max]

You can argue this till the cows come home mate, and if you're not a Rangers fan/supporter then you will always have the view that they are guilty, and i do take on board your comment about being pedantic, but, at the end of the day thats what the courts are there for, HMRC are not the law of the land, and Rangers are innocent until proven otherwise, what gets me is the time that this whole "big" tax case is taking, and i'm pretty sure that the likes of Man U etc, who were mentioned in your posted link, and probably dozens of other English teams as well, will be pretty worried if HMRC win this case.