Unstoppable migration?

[figgyburn]

Just watching this farce on news at ten.Give the truckers tasers.this is only going to get worse.welcome to the eu open borders nirvana.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

A big major problem has been caused by cut backs made by the Government. And it is now showing it true cause.

Everyone knows why these migrants want to come to the UK - Free for everything, and jobs.

Its true what a British tourist said 'These are young people who want to come to the UK for the free benefits'

The coalition made cutbacks in everything that was movable, and sadly the UK Border agency was hit badly. as part of my job is to work with them.

EACH lorry that comes through Calais to this country NOT everyone is check, through lack of officers.

What has to happen is EACH lorry MUST be checked, and the migrant sent back to his own country NOT to France

Lorry drivers get fined, if migrants are found in there Lorries, and if migrants get in they often cut through the sheeting on the lorries

Illegal Immigration has trebled in the past three years. Watching the News tonight, it was disgraceful to see migrants throwing stones at drivers, who wouldn't take them on there truck

French police should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen. What made me laugh was the French government, said they blamed the British Government for allowing it to be easy to survive here.

Give drivers Tasers yes, without doubt. or install electrified fences around Calais

[Gary L]

I think we can officially say that it's officially out of control and they are officially taking the pee.

[Jimmy-J]

It's like watching World War Z

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

A big major problem has been caused by cut backs made by the Government. And it is now showing it true cause.

Everyone knows why these migrants want to come to the UK - Free for everything, and jobs.

Its true what a British tourist said 'These are young people who want to come to the UK for the free benefits'

The coalition made cutbacks in everything that was movable, and sadly the UK Border agency was hit badly. as part of my job is to work with them.

EACH lorry that comes through Calais to this country NOT everyone is check, through lack of officers.

What has to happen is EACH lorry MUST be checked, and the migrant sent back to his own country NOT to France

Lorry drivers get fined, if migrants are found in there Lorries, and if migrants get in they often cut through the sheeting on the lorries

Illegal Immigration has trebled in the past three years. Watching the News tonight, it was disgraceful to see migrants throwing stones at drivers, who wouldn't take them on there truck

French police should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen. What made me laugh was the French government, said they blamed the British Government for allowing it to be easy to survive here.

Give drivers Tasers yes, without doubt. or install electrified fences around Calais

If your beloved Labour had not signed us up to the open borders crap we may not be in this mess now. I agree with the check every lorry idea but can you imagine the delays at the ports

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

A big major problem has been caused by cut backs made by the Government. And it is now showing it true cause.

Everyone knows why these migrants want to come to the UK - Free for everything, and jobs.

Its true what a British tourist said 'These are young people who want to come to the UK for the free benefits'

The coalition made cutbacks in everything that was movable, and sadly the UK Border agency was hit badly. as part of my job is to work with them.

EACH lorry that comes through Calais to this country NOT everyone is check, through lack of officers.

What has to happen is EACH lorry MUST be checked, and the migrant sent back to his own country NOT to France

Lorry drivers get fined, if migrants are found in there Lorries, and if migrants get in they often cut through the sheeting on the lorries

Illegal Immigration has trebled in the past three years. Watching the News tonight, it was disgraceful to see migrants throwing stones at drivers, who wouldn't take them on there truck

French police should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen. What made me laugh was the French government, said they blamed the British Government for allowing it to be easy to survive here.

Give drivers Tasers yes, without doubt. or install electrified fences around Calais

Precisely what free benefits do illegal immigrants get? My other half actually works (quite high up) in benefits processing and knows exactly whats claimants are entitled to.

Or, as per usual are you talking utter bigotted, xenophobic nonsense?

[Osem]

People come here for all sorts of reasons and often work illegally whether they've claimed asylum or not. What they're officially entitled to as asylum seekers will depend on their circumstances but for those who choose to remain under the radar they'll be surviving on what they can earn, beg, borrow or if necessary steal.

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Anyway the Hungarians have clearly had enough of their migrant burden and have taken unilateral action to do something about it:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ux-of-migrants

Hungary said Tuesday it has indefinitely suspended the application of a key EU asylum rule in order “protect Hungarian interests”, prompting Brussels to seek immediate clarification.

The rule requires a migrant’s claim to be processed in the EU country they first arrive in, a government spokesman said on Tuesday.

But it will be suspended as “the boat is full,” Zoltan Kovacs told Austrian media, referring to the recent influx of migrants.

“We all wish for a European solution, but we need to protect Hungarian interests and our population.”

This problem is global and is only going to get worse.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I think the French are extracting the Urine, saying its our problem.

Why are they allowing these people to cross their country without being challenged?

Because they want to come to the UK.

But the French are correct to point out that if our benefits system was less cosy then we wouldn't be attracting all these migrants. We are creating this problem.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

But the French are correct to point out that if our benefits system was less cosy then we wouldn't be attracting all these migrants. We are creating this problem.

Again, what benefits do illegal immigrants get?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Again, what benefits do illegal immigrants get?

Whether or not they are entitled to receive state benefits, immigrants will usually be entitled to receive free healthcare through the NHS.

Immigrants and benefits

Since illegals are not entitled to much in the way of benefits I wonder where all the stories abut them getting money, houses, etc are coming from? Can't just be the right wing press following an agenda?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Again, what benefits do illegal immigrants get?

No-questions-asked, free emergency healthcare would be one, however I think that's a bit of a red herring.

Most of the attractions are things no Frenchman could ever admit: Britain is a tolerant, open society, economically successful and our native tongue is the nearest thing the world has to a common language.

The other thing is that Britain, and its empire, is/was still generally seen as a benign, civilising influence in the world. Those whose parents grew up with it would naturally see it as a good place to go.

[Osem]

Illegal immigrants who're under the radar get none clearly, unless they're fiddling the system somehow i.e. via false documentation.

The number of asylum seekers, however, includes those whose claims will and have been turned down and during that process, which may take many years, they are entitled to the benefits and support detailed in the link above. Those whose claims are rejected are by definition illegal yet they will have received housing and support whilst going through the various processes, appeals etc. open to them. IMHO anyone who claims asylum here having passed through other safe countries is technically an illegal migrant, having deliberately chosen not to follow the correct procedures. There is no right for asylum seekers to pick and choose where they go. The migrants camped out in Calais have not claimed asylum there, they're clearly determined to get into the UK and no doubt some will claim asylum immediately and others will disappear into the underworld and take their chances. Of course those who claim to be under age and qualify as unaccompanied minors will be treated as a priority and taken into care. As I type I'm listening to a local authority social care worker on LBC explaining that in his experience about 30% of those who claim to be underage are not. According to him the age assessment process is fraught with problems and one of the reasons so many of them claim to be under 16 even when they're patently not.

Many illegals only claim asylum once they've been caught and they do this in an attempt to further delay the process and by so doing hope that they will build family relationships etc. here and qualify to stay. The question isn't whether any of this is understandable (it is), the question is can we carry on allowing it to happen indefinitely because the more who come and are allowed to stay, the more will inevitably follow and the harder it will be to stop them.

The absence of ID cards and a requirement to carry them in the UK is another factor which makes the UK appealing when compared to France.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

mrmistofee I totally resent that remark, totally. I have NO hatred whatever to anyone.

I believe ANYONE can enter this country, My complaint is that l feel for the poor lorry driver who has to put up with each time they travel across the channel.
After watching what was happening yesterday, l was shocked at what was happening

And yes, people do come to this country, as they know they can claim benefits etc etc.

But l can assure you that l am not what you are claiming, and l expect the moderators of this forum to accept my complaint towards yourself for what you have accused me of.

This forum is of free speech, and as far as l am aware, l have not broken the rules of this forum - if l have, l am sure they will correct me.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

mrmistofee I totally resent that remark, totally. I have NO hatred whatever to anyone.

I believe ANYONE can enter this country, My complaint is that l feel for the poor lorry driver who has to put up with each time they travel across the channel.
After watching what was happening yesterday, l was shocked at what was happening

And yes, people do come to this country, as they know they can claim benefits etc etc.

But l can assure you that l am not what you are claiming, and l expect the moderators of this forum to accept my complaint towards yourself for what you have accused me of.

This forum is of free speech, and as far as l am aware, l have not broken the rules of this forum - if l have, l am sure they will correct me.

You have a history of making false claims regarding immigrants and immigration.

Again, what benefits do they claim?

I put it to you that you don't have a clue regarding the what an immigrant can and cannot claim for in this country. You're views instead are formed by such balanced publications as the Daily Mail

The moderators will do as they do as is their right and responsibility.

If you put your head above the parapet then don't go crying when someone takes a shot at it

[Taf]

UK Immigration officers are stationed in France in some ports, so any trying to get in with false papers are turned away. So they say.