Online Safety Bill

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

"I'm keen not the blame the victim, but if only the victim had acted differently this may not have happened"

To be fair, there is a % of personal responsibility. Plenty of places me, a 6’ 4” man, wouldn’t walk around at night by myself, and if I did, and got set upon, it would be my own stupid fault.

Ideally, we wouldn’t live in such a world, but we do.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

To be fair, there is a % of personal responsibility. Plenty of places me, a 6’ 4” man, wouldn’t walk around at night by myself, and if I did, and got set upon, it would be my own stupid fault.

Ideally, we wouldn’t live in such a world, but we do.

I agree with what you are saying I was just pointing out the contradictory bit of the bit in bold.

Every day almost everyone engages in risk evaluation/mitigation as part of their own personal responsibility on a whole range of scenarios. Even crossing the road, driving a car., etc. People do these things and get hurt or worse regularly yet we don't set out to ban them. We give people instructions, tools and parameters within which we believe safety increases.

Similarly, there's streets/areas I wouldn't go into in daylight.

[RichardCoulter]

This mother is asking for people to sign her petition to require social media companies to pass over information about her 14 yesr old son who committed suicide:

https://news.sky.com/story/mother-of...story-13142846

Closes 30 May.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This mother is asking for people to sign her petition to require social media companies to pass over information about her 14 yesr old son who committed suicide:

https://news.sky.com/story/mother-of...story-13142846

Closes 30 May.

I can't disagree, she should have the right to answers. But sadly sometimes and in most cases there won't be.

I didn't know you had to be in a 'suicidal mood' to be suicidal. Strange that.

[Hom3r]

Parents need to take responsibility and set the appropriate setting on their kids phones, most have a kids mode function.


You just cant blame facebook etc.


But how do I prove I'm over 18, I don't want to give these sites my Credit?debit card info, and what about those who don't have a driving licence or passport?

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Parents need to take responsibility and set the appropriate setting on their kids phones, most have a kids mode function.


You just cant blame facebook etc.


But how do I prove I'm over 18, I don't want to give these sites my Credit?debit card info, and what about those who don't have a driving licence or passport?

Very true and you rise a real question

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Maggy

---------- Post added at 10:45 ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 ----------

There is no absolute way to protect ANYONE on the internet all of the time.To have such protection then the WWW should NEVER have been set up in the first place.

Question! Why was the WWW actually set up?For whose benefit?

IIRC Sir Tim Bernads-Lee set it up to allow institutions to transfer data, then became open to the world, it's changed a lot from the old BBS.


On a side note if Sir Tim charges 10p every time you used the web I read he would have made something like £250,000,000 a day, but he gave it for free

[jfman]

Originally Posted by peanut

I didn't know you had to be in a 'suicidal mood' to be suicidal. Strange that.

In this case the family are blaming the TikTok blackout challenge. I’m the absence of conclusive proof the coroner made a judgement “on balance of probabilities” in favour of misadventure.

The Internet started a bit before the WWW - the WWW evolved from ARPANET.

The phrase "internet" was first used around 1983, and ‘WWW" around 1989.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/ARP...packet-of-data

[peanut]

Originally Posted by jfman

In this case the family are blaming the TikTok blackout challenge. I’m the absence of conclusive proof the coroner made a judgement “on balance of probabilities” in favour of misadventure.

Ah right makes sense now, a bit like the 'Archie Battersbee's' case. They blamed it on something like that as well, but after a forensic search of his phone and internet use they didn't find anything at all. Something certainly wasn't right with that case at all.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by peanut

Ah right makes sense now, a bit like the 'Archie Battersbee's' case. They blamed it on something like that as well, but after a forensic search of his phone and internet use they didn't find anything at all. Something certainly wasn't right with that case at all.

It’s a bit of a tightrope I think. Families will, sadly, always be in denial about what they missed, how didn’t they not know etc. So blaming someone else - or social media - is a natural part of this denial process. This makes it difficult to test motive.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a bit of a tightrope I think. Families will, sadly, always be in denial about what they missed, how didn’t they not know etc. So blaming someone else - or social media - is a natural part of this denial process. This makes it difficult to test motive.

Very true, but then his mother didn't stop but goes on and be a part of the 11 parents that blames social media for the death of their child. Yet there was no evidence or proof to say social media or Tik Tok in this case was to blame. Which is quite odd considering the verdict.

It is certain cases that it does prove that there's more to it than just social media or the internet. But the hype around using this reason does makes it easy to use and blame, but can also hide the real truths.

Even so, if a child is looking or searching for self harming content etc. Then there must be some other problems there to begin with.

[RichardCoulter]

This programme looks at how attempts will be made by the Olympics to tackle online abuse of athletes in both written form, the use of emojies and manipulated images. AI will be used to combat online abuse & online violence by scanning the Internet and getting the posts removed or to take legal action. One in six children are said to have been subject to online bullying:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5wm4

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This mother is asking for people to sign her petition to require social media companies to pass over information about her 14 yesr old son who committed suicide:

https://news.sky.com/story/mother-of...story-13142846

Anyone who wishes to sign this petition will have to do so before 0.01 on Thursday.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/661407

All petitions will close at 00.01am on Thursday 30 May.

There will be a General Election on Thursday 4 July. This means that Parliament has to be dissolved and that all parliamentary business – including petitions – will stop.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Anyone who wishes to sign this petition will have to do so before 0.01 on Thursday.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/661407

All petitions will close at 00.01am on Thursday 30 May.

It's reached over 100k so will be looked at.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...l-media-access

Just to add to my other post I see that the link also mention the mother of Archie, and states 'possibly'.

Also, if they forensically looked into Archies online history (but found nothing), why can't they look into Jools Sweeney's online history too?