Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

Again, you have reading issues, it is a suggestion, does not mean it has been implemented.

I do not care what the government thinks, I see it with my own eyes, where I live, Eastern Europeans, such as Romanians, Polish nationals taking up housing, not working, some thieving and mugging from locals and basically living like animals, i.e throwing their crap in the streets and alley ways.

Two Romanian women tried to mug an elderly couple near our Tesco's the other week. They are **** and need to be sent packing, never mind locking up.

I could take a photo right now of a pile of nappies covered in human excrement (uncovered and not in nappy sacks) dumped by a migrant household, right outside their back gate and in some cases thrown out of their bedroom window, but I think it would be too gross to show on a public forum.

The same migrant household was throwing out their domestic rubbish in their yard and when their yard filled up with crap, with rotting materials and food, they just brushed it in to the alley ways, my neighbour caught one of them brushing it near her garden wall, she reported them to the council as did I and they kept on doing it so I reported them again.

It's nothing short of bloody disgusting how they were living, when I spoke to the council workers who came to clean it, they were heaving poor sods, I said I am sorry you have had to clean this crap up, they said it has got worse and they said it's the same EU nationals from the Eastern parts who basically live like dirty pigs.

It's alright for people like you and others who live down South, 'Yeah, let more in' but you won't put up with them living in your towns and cities, like we have to up here in the North. It's disgusting the way they live some of them.

And there in the bolded part lies the crux. Some

It's disgusting the way some english born people live, what should we do about that kick them out? To where?

I'm not sure how far 'oop north' you are Mick?. But Middlesbrough has a fairly high percentage of migrants and I've never witnessed similar behaviour. and I have friends living in some of the rougher areas (Port Clarence, Park End, Grovehill to name but three) in fact whenever I have seen trouble in Middlesbrough it's been caused by local yobbos

There needs to be a balanced subjective view taken. But alas i think this is something that wont happen

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And there in the bolded part lies the crux. Some

It's disgusting the way some english born people live, what should we do about that kick them out? To where?

I'm not sure how far 'oop north' you are Mick?. But Middlesbrough has a fairly high percentage of migrants and I've never witnessed similar behaviour. and I have friends living in some of the rougher areas (Port Clarence, Park End, Grovehill to name but three) in fact whenever I have seen trouble in Middlesbrough it's been caused by local yobbos

There needs to be a balanced subjective view taken. But alas i think this is something that wont happen

Come to Leeds then you'll see the state of Harehills infact I think the Leeds inner east police team have forgot about other areas they are supposed to cover for their region.

While I agree with the statement you make about our own yobs so lets deal with them and stop wasting resources on those that shouldn't be here. This is the reason we have inbred yobs because the police force and local councils can't deal with them for all the others abusing this country.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

No, this country needs controlled immigration. That will not affect the NHS one iota.

Alas this is wishful thinking.
Senior staff have spouses and controlled immigration permits only extend to the job-holder. So if you have a wife who's a brain surgeon and a husband who's a graphic designer, under such a system the wife would get a permit and the husband wouldn't. So the chances of the wife taking a brain surgeon's job in the UK are significantly reduced as the husband can't work.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Total garbage. Germany is also short of doctors and nurses. Not only are they in the EU, they are going to remain. So how come they have a problem? Plus part of the German plan is to import 200,000 nurses from the Philippines, which is just a little bit outside the EU. Medical staff shortages is a WORLDWIDE thing.

Total garbage ,the reason why germany is struggling to fill healthcare positions is because of the influx of refugees swamping the hospitals and the fact that German healthcare providers are reluctant to recruit from abroad.

Despite a lack of personnel, more than half of nursing companies indicated that recruiting from abroad would not be an option in the future, the study said. Respondents said the process was too laborious, too expensive and the legal obstacles were too high.

83% of companies surveyed, who had experience with foreign recruitment, had already come into contact with bureaucratic constraints, and two-thirds with problems in the recognition of qualifications. 60% of the companies indicated that they had difficulties getting immigration permits for third country nationals. As a result, two-thirds of those surveyed said legal obstacles should be dismantled and 87% called for better offerings with regard to language and integration courses

http://www.euractiv.com/section/soci...ecruit-abroad/

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Originally Posted by Mick

Again, you have reading issues, it is a suggestion, does not mean it has been implemented.

I do not care what the government thinks, I see it with my own eyes, where I live, Eastern Europeans, such as Romanians, Polish nationals taking up housing, not working, some thieving and mugging from locals and basically living like animals, i.e throwing their crap in the streets and alley ways.

Two Romanian women tried to mug an elderly couple near our Tesco's the other week. They are **** and need to be sent packing, never mind locking up.

I could take a photo right now of a pile of nappies covered in human excrement (uncovered and not in nappy sacks) dumped by a migrant household, right outside their back gate and in some cases thrown out of their bedroom window, but I think it would be too gross to show on a public forum.

The same migrant household was throwing out their domestic rubbish in their yard and when their yard filled up with crap, with rotting materials and food, they just brushed it in to the alley ways, my neighbour caught one of them brushing it near her garden wall, she reported them to the council as did I and they kept on doing it so I reported them again.

It's nothing short of bloody disgusting how they were living, when I spoke to the council workers who came to clean it, they were heaving poor sods, I said I am sorry you have had to clean this crap up, they said it has got worse and they said it's the same EU nationals from the Eastern parts who basically live like dirty pigs.

It's alright for people like you and others who live down South, 'Yeah, let more in' but you won't put up with them living in your towns and cities, like we have to up here in the North. It's disgusting the way they live some of them.

You appear to transposing your experience of one lot of migrants onto all migrants .I can categorically state that when i go into peoples council houses on a daily basis to work in them the most disgusting and dirty people are the British born layabouts sitting watching Jeremy Kyle on their 50" telly paid for by benefits

[Osem]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

just a few days ago we where all part of team Europe now we seem to be the enemy

We've dared to leave their club and they don't like it one little bit. They'll huff, puff and get nasty and in so doing reveal what they really are people who only respect democracy when it suits them.

Originally Posted by martyh

You appear to transposing your experience of one lot of migrants onto all migrants .I can categorically state that when i go into peoples council houses on a daily basis to work in them the most disgusting and dirty people are the British born layabouts sitting watching Jeremy Kyle on their 50" telly paid for by benefits

Wrong, if you bothered to read, I said I had NO problem with skilled migrants, who want to come here to work for a better life.

The other migrants who don't want to work or do not want to provide anything, live off our state while being here need to be booted out.

As for UK Nationals sitting on their arse doing nothing and who are genuinely able to work, that's another subject for another day, they need to lose their benefits as well. I am talking about the lazy, unskilled migrants, who came here on the premise that British Streets are paved with Gold, we need to stop letting them in.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Come to Leeds then you'll see the state of Harehills infact I think the Leeds inner east police team have forgot about other areas they are supposed to cover for their region.

While I agree with the statement you make about our own yobs so lets deal with them and stop wasting resources on those that shouldn't be here. This is the reason we have inbred yobs because the police force and local councils can't deal with them for all the others abusing this country.

Yep, we have plenty of our own yobs and scroungers that we can't effectively deal with. All the more reason therefore to control immigration so that we don't import more.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by martyh

Total garbage ,the reason why germany is struggling to fill healthcare positions is because of the influx of refugees swamping the hospitals and the fact that German healthcare providers are reluctant to recruit from abroad.

Despite a lack of personnel, more than half of nursing companies indicated that recruiting from abroad would not be an option in the future, the study said. Respondents said the process was too laborious, too expensive and the legal obstacles were too high.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/soci...ecruit-abroad/

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You appear to transposing your experience of one lot of migrants onto all migrants .I can categorically state that when i go into peoples council houses on a daily basis to work in them the most disgusting and dirty people are the British born layabouts sitting watching Jeremy Kyle on their 50" telly paid for by benefits

OECD report from 2005.

There are reports of current nurse shortages in all but a few OECD countries. With further increases in demand for nurses expected and nurse workforce ageing predicted to reduce the supply of nurses, shortages are likely to persist or even increase in the future, unless action is taken to increase flows into and reduce flows out of the workforce or to raise the productivity of nurses.

2013

Add to that an economic recession and more seniors requiring long-term care, and Europe may be facing a shortage of 1 million health professionals by 2020, according to a European Union Joint Action on Health Workforce Planning estimate.
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It's actually bad all over: America, too, may have 1.2 million job openings for nurses, due to job growth and replacements, by 2020, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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In other countries, such as Germany, the shortage is particularly acute, and the immigration of health care workers from poorer economies even outside of Europe is becoming part of the solution.
"We expect a tremendous nursing shortage of about 500,000 people by 2030," said Professor Stefan Goerres, managing director of the Institute for Public Health and Health Care Research at the University of Bremen. "Even if the profession were more attractive, there just aren't enough young people due to declining birth rates."

2012

Germany is facing a nursing shortage: 40,000 specialists are urgently needed now, and that figure is expected to jump to 110,000 in the foreseeable future. To make up the shortfall, Germany is looking to China.

To address its shortage of nurses, especially in geriatric care, Germany has announced it will hire 200,000 Filipino nurses in the next four years. A 2013 hiring agreement, the Triple Win Project, has already allowed nurses from the Philippines and three other countries to immigrate to Germany.

Originally Posted by nomadking

OECD report from 2005.

2013
2012

We know there are nurse shortages all over Europe nobody is disputing that ,the reason why Germany has such a chronic problem is because they will not recruit from overseas whereas we will so our shortage is not as bad as Germany's.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by martyh

We know there are nurse shortages all over Europe nobody is disputing that ,the reason why Germany has such a chronic problem is because they will not recruit from overseas whereas we will so our shortage is not as bad as Germany's.

So what is responsible for the US nursing shortage? Whatever way you look at it, there is a WORLDWIDE shortage and so it as NOTHING to do with Brexit.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by martyh

We know there are nurse shortages all over Europe nobody is disputing that ,the reason why Germany has such a chronic problem is because they will not recruit from overseas whereas we will so our shortage is not as bad as Germany's.

If you work in the NHS like me you'll also notice that by taking these in from overseas the language barrier is out of this world making the job to work with them 10x harder

Originally Posted by nomadking

So what is responsible for the US nursing shortage? Whatever way you look at it, there is a WORLDWIDE shortage and so it as NOTHING to do with Brexit.

never said it did i just questioned your assessment of why Germany has problems with staffing it's own health service

Originally Posted by Gavin78

If you work in the NHS like me you'll also notice that by taking these in from overseas the language barrier is out of this world making the job to work with them 10x harder

I don't doubt it ,maybe we would be better able to recruit nurses if we didn't make them all have degrees

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by martyh

never said it did i just questioned your assessment of why Germany has problems with staffing it's own health service

I don't doubt it ,maybe we would be better able to recruit nurses if we didn't make them all have degrees

Not my assessment, but multiple assessments, and facts, eg ageing population, less people taking up nursing.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Not my assessment, but multiple assessments, and facts, eg ageing population, less people taking up nursing.

And German health care providers unwillingness to recruit from abroad

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by martyh

I don't doubt it ,maybe we would be better able to recruit nurses if we didn't make them all have degrees

True, and making them pay for those degrees now is self-defeating.