Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
19-04-2012, 09:23
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Originally Posted by Russ
I can't remember exactly who it was now, it all happened about 20 years ago. Their original intention was to go after in-the-closet people who were condemning homosexuality as you say (not in itself a bad thing) however they got drunk on the publicity it gave them and went after anyone they felt 'needing' outing. Private Eye did a great feature about them.
I think if I suggested what you needed to do I'd get banned from the forum.
I repeat: it is NOT your place to decide or suggest what someone of whose lifestyle you do not experience should or should not do.
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Did all those "closet" gays vote against pro-gay laws and for anti-gay laws?
There are many examples where living a lie ruins your life, whatever your "flaws" you have to live with them
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19-04-2012, 09:29
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Did all those "closet" gays vote against pro-gay laws and for anti-gay laws?
There are many examples where living a lie ruins your life, whatever your "flaws" you have to live with them
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Is being gay a "flaw"?
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19-04-2012, 09:38
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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They do seem to say that it is not natural (which it is), they also seem it say it is ok to be homophobic
Also, they seem to thing that you have a choice in being gay or not, well it is not that easy...
They also seem to accept the view that Homosexuality is a sin, even though the bible is not 100% clear and NO ONE has asked Jesus on the matter
So basicly, what they are saying has nothing to do with Christanity and everything to do with backward values
As for Some Sikhs, well they opnions have more to do with cultures than anything to do with religion, for example Sikhs are told to no hate or animosity to any person, regardless of race, caste, color, creed, gender, or sexuality. Marrrage is also seen as a Union of (Genderless) Souls, it does not matter what is the gender of the body that contains the soul
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Definitely, daniel.
But when someone posts an all-inclusive statement such as I feel it appropriate to point out that his (and many other) religion's followers do not all think the same.
However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - just because it doesn't state it is for/against something, doesn't mean it isn't for/against something....
For instance, I can find nothing about the Sikh religion's views on paedophilia or cannibalism - that doesn't mean it is for or against those things, just that nothing was said* (as far as I could see).
*just to be clear, I don't think Sikhs are for cannibalism and/or paedophilia...
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I was not talking about what Sikh followers think (there are 30 million of then, I did not ask then all on what they thought), only the religion itself, but there is no doubt that the religion itself has nothing against Homosexuality, certainly at the very least, we are told to treat them as equals (even if we are not keen on what they do)
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Is being gay a "flaw"?
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No it is not, but for those types of people it is for them
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19-04-2012, 09:43
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Did all those "closet" gays vote against pro-gay laws and for anti-gay laws?
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I have no idea, you'll have to ask them (rather than assuming).
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There are many examples where living a lie ruins your life, whatever your "flaws" you have to live with them
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Whether that is true or not is irrelevant - it is NOBODY'S business but your own whether to make public this 'lie'. I have my own issues that are private to me and if someone chose to go public with them because they decided it would be 'best' for me then they'd end up in a whole world of trouble.
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No it is not, but for those types of people it is for them
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More assumptions on other peoples' behalf?
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19-04-2012, 09:46
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Originally Posted by Russ
I have no idea, you'll have to ask them (rather than assuming).
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant - it is NOBODY'S business but your own whether to make public this 'lie'. I have my own issues that are private to me and if someone chose to go public with them because they decided it would be 'best' for me then they'd end up in a whole world of trouble.
More assumptions on other peoples' behalf?
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I agree that it is up to the person to "come out", unless they are hypocrites, but you have not come up with any examples of people who were "closet" and were not hypocrites!
And anyway, it is not a good idea to live a lie and feel ashamed at who you are!
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19-04-2012, 09:52
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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I agree that it is up to the person to "come out", unless they are hypocrites, but you have not come up with any examples of people who were "closet" and were not hypocrites!
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I'll look on the Private Eye archive for it.
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And anyway, it is not a good idea to live a lie and feel ashamed at who you are!
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I'm not doubting that. The point I've made several times (and that you're ignoring) is that it is nobody's business but the individual as to whether to make that 'lie' public knowledge.
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19-04-2012, 09:57
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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I'll look on the Private Eye archive for it.
I'm not doubting that. The point I've made several times (and that you're ignoring) is that it is nobody's business but the individual as to whether to make that 'lie' public knowledge.
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Look, I agree with you on the last point, but what they are donig is not right at all in my opinion
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19-04-2012, 10:05
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Look, I agree with you on the last point, but what they are donig is not right at all in my opinion
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As long as it stays as just someone's opinion then fine. But if there was somebody going around 'outing' people purely because they thought it was somehow 'best' for them, would you agree that would be an invasion of privacy?
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19-04-2012, 10:13
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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As long as it stays as just someone's opinion then fine. But if there was somebody going around 'outing' people purely because they thought it was somehow 'best' for them, would you agree that would be an invasion of privacy?
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Yes I would to be honest, it would have been better if they were convinced to do it on their own, unless they were hypocrities
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19-04-2012, 10:18
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Yes I would to be honest, it would have been better if they were convinced to do it on their own, unless they were hypocrities
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Why should they need to be convinced at all ? If a gay person doesn't wish to tell everyone that is his own buissness and personally i wish a few more would keep quiet .The world does not need to know if a person is gay or not
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Yes I would to be honest, it would have been better if they were convinced to do it on their own, unless they were hypocrities
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There you go again. 'Convinced to do it on their own'.
Why are you so sure you know best about something which is private to an individual if you have not experienced it yourself?
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19-04-2012, 10:35
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Why should they need to be convinced at all ? If a gay person doesn't wish to tell everyone that is his own buissness and personally i wish a few more would keep quiet .The world does not need to know if a person is gay or not
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Becuase in a lot of cases, they are ashamed of the fact they are Gay, If some told me that they were in secret, I would not tell anyone, but I would tell them to
It is not very easy to hide it by the way
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There you go again. 'Convinced to do it on their own'.
Why are you so sure you know best about something which is private to an individual if you have not experienced it yourself?
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Becuase I have seen what happens when you live a lie
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19-04-2012, 10:39
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Becuase I have seen what happens when you live a lie
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How do you know that would apply in the majority of cases?
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Becuase in a lot of cases, they are ashamed of the fact they are Gay
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How do you know that to be the case? Has there been any research in to the matter?
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By the way here's an example of Tatchell and co's early tactics of 'Outing' people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutRage...ng_controversy
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19-04-2012, 10:47
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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Becuase in a lot of cases, they are ashamed of the fact they are Gay,
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I defy you to produce any evidence of that at all .It singularly the most crass comment you have made so far .
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19-04-2012, 10:59
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
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How do you know that would apply in the majority of cases?
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How do you know that to be the case? Has there been any research in to the matter?
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By the way here's an example of Tatchell and co's early tactics of 'Outing' people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutRage...ng_controversy
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Like I said, outing people can be done when they are hypocrities (which was nearly all the cases) and anyway they only did to force the newspapers to come against it (when they were doing themselfs)
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I defy you to produce any evidence of that at all .It singularly the most crass comment you have made so far .
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