Corbyn's kerfuffle

[Osem]

Originally Posted by rhyds

As electorally useless as Kinnock was, he did just about manage to drag Labour back from the brink the last time it decided to go hard lefty. Owen Smith will probably not be a prime minister, but he might just keep the Labour party on the same planet as the electorate.

It's not saying much for Labour that things were so bad under Foot and now Corbyn that Kinnock and Smith could be considered an improvement...

Lets be honest labour have royally screwed the public with this mess and i don't see it ending anytime soon corbyn will win the election and it's just going to drag on and on.

At the moment I think Labour are just royally entertaining the public. They won't get a chance to screw us unless we're stupid enough to elect them in 2020, which I think is vanishingly unlikely.

There's more chance of me winning the lottery then labour getting elected in 2020.

Corbyn will not commit to coming to the aid of a NATO ally if they were attacked, the very purpose of NATO: https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/766346706690666496

Jeremy Corbyn continuously refuses to say Britain would come to the aid of a NATO ally in the event of an attack from Russia.

It's the first time he has cast doubt on NATO and now Trump is doing the same in the US whilst Le Pen has said the same in France.

Putin must be loving this, that's if he isn't behind it. A lot of useful idiots have come to the fore in recent years parroting the Kremlin line. It's quite scary, I am not conspiratorial minded but there is something oddly consistent about all these anti-establishment movements whose goals dovetail with Russian interests.

[Osem]

If anyone had any doubt that Corbyn's a complete buffoon this ought to end it, unless of course they're equally deluded or in the pay of the Kremlin...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Osem

If anyone had any doubt that Corbyn's a complete buffoon this ought to end it, unless of course they're equally deluded or in the pay of the Kremlin...

Well Comrade, you do seem a bit obsessed about Jeremy. If he's in no danger of ever being elected why bother ? I like him, he offers an definite alternative, which people may or may not want. Cameron/Clegg/Blair/May - virtually no difference between them once PM.

He did a very good sit down protest on the train the other day with other passengers in economy that didn't have seats. Compare that to sweet George Osborne who insisted on being in First Class without paying.....

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well Comrade, you do seem a bit obsessed about Jeremy. If he's in no danger of ever being elected why bother ? I like him, he offers an definite alternative, which people may or may not want. Cameron/Clegg/Blair/May - virtually no difference between them once PM.

I don't think it's impossible he could be elected, he will be leader of the opposition and Labour has a lot of staying power via the name alone. It's also important to have an effective opposition.

This is about the issue itself though. I don't like the increasing anti-NATO tones from the like of Corbyn, Le Pen and Trump. All of them want to undermine it and find excuses for Russian aggression. I think it's suspicious and dangerous.

EDIT: Look at this too: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...trump-too.html

We're being played for 'useful' idiots here.

[techguyone]

I don't doubt he'll be voted in as Labour leader - it suits too manys agendas for him not too, I would not expect him to win a GE though, which again suits manys agenda.

[Osem]

If anyone wants an effective opposition, they're not going to get it with a clown like Corbyn running the Labour show. He's a relic of the past and a very poor leader who'd bring this country to its knees. What's required is for Labour to split, leave Corbyn and his loony left cronies to count their votes from the rose tinted brigade and those who're serious about creating a new, more representative, party to get off their bums and do it. If Smith is the best Labour can do to challenge Corbyn the Tories are going to be well and truly delighted.

Like or loathe them, when you compare the heavyweights Labour used to have within their ranks to today's bunch the extent to which the party has deteriorated is quite obvious.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well Comrade, you do seem a bit obsessed about Jeremy. If he's in no danger of ever being elected why bother ? I like him, he offers an definite alternative, which people may or may not want. Cameron/Clegg/Blair/May - virtually no difference between them once PM.

He did a very good sit down protest on the train the other day with other passengers in economy that didn't have seats. Compare that to sweet George Osborne who insisted on being in First Class without paying.....

only as obsessed as you are with Cameron and Osborne .

As someone who's always banging on about democracy or lack thereof i'm surprised that you approve of the lack of opposition to the Conservatives

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Originally Posted by Osem

If anyone wants an effective opposition, they're not going to get it with a clown like Corbyn running the Labour show. He's a relic of the past and a very poor leader who'd bring this country to its knees. What's required is for Labour to split, leave Corbyn and his loony left cronies to count their votes from the rose tinted brigade and those who're serious about creating a new, more representative, party to get off their bums and do it. If Smith is the best Labour can do to challenge Corbyn the Tories are going to be well and truly delighted.

Like or loathe them, when you compare the heavyweights Labour used to have within their ranks to today's bunch the extent to which the party has deteriorated is quite obvious.

couldn't agree more

There does seem to be growing support for Russia and Putin and when our political representatives start saying it we have a major problem as Putin is very good at playing to the crowd. Corbyn saying we might not aid a NATO ally is another nail in the coffin and i do believe there is a concerted effort from Russia to undermine and eventually collapse NATO.

I've been watching a documentary on BBC2 about the '80's and one thing that stands out is that Labour where in exactly the same position '80 to around '83 as they are now ,a good point made was that Maggie did not win her second term (even with the Falklands war)Labour lost it because of the split in the party .Never has the phrase 'history repeats itself 'been more applicable .

[Osem]

Corbyn's always been an apologist for communism.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I've been watching a documentary on BBC2 about the '80's and one thing that stands out is that Labour where in exactly the same position '80 to around '83 as they are now ,a good point made was that Maggie did not win her second term (even with the Falklands war)Labour lost it because of the split in the party .Never has the phrase 'history repeats itself 'been more applicable .

Despite being a trusim in Labour's case, never has the phrase 'They never learn' been more applicable.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

There does seem to be growing support for Russia and Putin and when our political representatives start saying it we have a major problem as Putin is very good at playing to the crowd. Corbyn saying we might not aid a NATO ally is another nail in the coffin and i do believe there is a concerted effort from Russia to undermine and eventually collapse NATO.

If it came down to siding with Trump or Putin it wouldn't be straightforward choice... Suspect Trump wouldn't be interested in Nato/protecting other countries. The world's gone mad which is worrying.