Marine killer deserves clemency - Page 13

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Damien

Who was given three years for murder? .

Nobody, I don't know what the actual sentence was, but they were only given a minimum tariff of 3 years, so they only served three years in prison, and were out on licence for the remainder of their sentence.

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 22:52

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Nobody, I don't know what the actual sentence was, but they were only given a minimum tariff of 3 years, so they only served three years in prison, and were out on licence for the remainder of their sentence.

Yeah but who was given the minimum tariff of three years is my question. As that CPS page said 15 years was the mandatory unless that is a new recommendation or I have misunderstood what the mandatory minimums are there for.

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah but who was given the minimum tariff of three years is my question. As that CPS page said 15 years was the mandatory unless that is a new recommendation or I have misunderstood what the mandatory minimums are there for.

You need to read the article you posted.

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It is important to note that the judge retains discretion to determine the minimum term. Whilst he must have regard to the statutory guidance he needs only do so to the extent he considers appropriate, and is not bound to follow it

SMG · 11-11-2013, 23:03

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Originally Posted by Damien

A civilian cannot commit the same crime exactly but they could commit a crime where there are a lot of difficult situations to consider. Someone who has been emotionally comprised, for lack of a better phrase, and doesn't think clearly.

I have no problem with these being considered in migration, as long as it's the same process that happens for everyone else. You consider the circumstances for him as you would for others. Crimes are not black and white and the ability to be compassionate and reasonable is a important part of a civilised justice system.

Yes. Completely agree, something I have been trying to put forward in my posts. There are circumstances which will affect the sentence, conduct prejudice to good order, misuse of authority, bringing the service into disrepute, what mental health issues could he have, (PTSD) there are many other issues, some of which are unique to the forces, but, I would hope his record would throw some light on it. He may be used as an example to others in the Forces. I just hope he will be judged by people who know the pressures of war, & not the pencil pushers. (Staff Officers).

**Damien** · 11-11-2013, 23:09

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Originally Posted by Pierre

You need to read the article you posted.

OK. To be fair I just jumped to the find the minimum sentence rather than read all of it. Still 3 years is a extraordinary low minimum sentence so that must have had some pretty exceptional migrating circumstances.

TheDaddy · 11-11-2013, 23:11

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Originally Posted by SMG

Perhaps they may consider that as he rid the world of a terrorist, he should be given a light sentence?

What like the guy who murdered bin laden did, I wonder when the Americans will begin his trial...

adzii_nufc · 11-11-2013, 23:12

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What like the guy who murdered bin laden did, I wonder when the Americans will begin his trial...

I've mentioned earlier about the Americans dropping missiles on Pakistani housewives. Such a law abiding country.

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 23:15

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

I've mentioned earlier about the Americans dropping missiles on Pakistani housewives.

Maybe if the housewives weren't playing house with the Taliban they wouldn't get blown up.

SMG · 11-11-2013, 23:16

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What like the guy who murdered bin laden did, I wonder when the Americans will begin his trial...

Well, I have always said, some people need to be killed.

adzii_nufc · 11-11-2013, 23:23

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Maybe if the housewives weren't playing house with the Taliban they wouldn't get blown up.

Yes take note of this, America has never killed a single civilian whilst launching missiles at terrorists. As long as you say the old woman and school kids you killed were Taliban, it's completely fine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4171975.html

spreadsheet · 11-11-2013, 23:28

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What like the guy who murdered bin laden did, I wonder when the Americans will begin his trial...

it's where the age old argument is all about though

when is killing legal - if it's sponsored by the state or not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rebel_(book)
was on my shelf for years - more by way of posing by the side of it than any other reason - but it bangs on about that sort of stuff

Pierre · 11-11-2013, 23:39

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Yes take note of this, America has never killed a single civilian whilst launching missiles at terrorists. As long as you say the old woman and school kids you killed were Taliban, it's completely fine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4171975.html

I didn't say the kids or women were Taliban, but the Taliban are there, maybe in the house, maybe next door. But they are there.

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In researching the strike, a Pakistani government source suggested to Amnesty International that the Rehman family was hit because of mistaken identity, caused by the bad luck of a Taliban member using a phone on a nearby road just before the strike.

Yeah, right.

The Taliban just happened to be passing.

spreadsheet · 11-11-2013, 23:43

as far as I am concerned they should get a load of B52 bombers tooled up with nuclear weapons - fly over there and bomb the entire
imbroglio back into the stone age

much in the same was as you would, say, re-install windows xp

adzii_nufc · 11-11-2013, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I didn't say the kids or women were Taliban, but the Taliban are there, maybe in the house, maybe next door. But they are there.

Yeah, right.

The Taliban just happened to be passing.

Ok, So you're happy to have a missile parked down your letterbox should we ever suspect a terrorist next door to you. I don't doubt there's Taliban lingering about but killing others and calling it collateral damage for 1 terrorist is a joke.

I'm not saying You're wrong about the Taliban, it's the way they do it that's wrong.

Nidge41 · 12-11-2013, 05:13

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I feel he should not have been charged in the first place, the Taliban would have done it to him if the tables were turned. If it had been me there instead of him i would have done the same as him. I have no time for the likes of the Taliban who cut the heads off people just for the fun of it with a kitchen knife. They should all be shot and no quarter given ever.

That says it all.