Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by nomadking

In other words, Scotland has to have its own currency or it can't join the EU.

Some absolute, 100%, cast iron walloper on twitter is claiming this can't be true as Germany and France don't use sterling...

And these people have a vote.

I thought the debate was good tonight. All three No'ers were far better than Darling and pretty much destroyed the guessers.

[MalteseFalcon]

I know, it does make you worry about the country in the future. Of course they didn't have Sterling currency, they had their own currency and their own Central bank which enabled them to enter the single currency. And look how that ended up for some countries! Much as I moan about Scotland and Scottish people, at least Brown did one thing right and that was to not enter us into the single currency.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek

I thought the debate was good tonight. All three No'ers were far better than Darling and pretty much destroyed the guessers.

I'm guessing that you were watching it through NO tinted glasses because I'm not so sure they destroyed the guessers.

I've encountered quite a few people who intended voting No who have changed their minds recently. I'm beginning to have a rethink myself. The misinformation and the scaremongering from Better Together is making me re-examine the misinformation and the scaremongering of the Yes campaign.

I'm now on the fence. Heid says Naw, heart says Aye.

[MalteseFalcon]

Follow the heart!!!!!!!!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

That wouldn't be fair, we wouldn't get our free prescriptions!

Yeah you would, the Welsh government would pay for them

The SNP have managed to convince everyone that they'll get a Currency Union. That's a problem right there but I guess once they get a Yes vote then that's all that matters.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Damien

The SNP have managed to convince everyone that they'll get a Currency Union. That's a problem right there but I guess once they get a Yes vote then that's all that matters.

.... or the BT campaign have failed to convince everyone that there won't be a currency union

[Derek]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

I'm guessing that you were watching it through NO tinted glasses because I'm not so sure they destroyed the guessers.

You must have missed Elaine Smith getting torn apart, the green lunatic dismissing 8000 job losses and telling the world iScotland won't use fossil fuels (unless I missed a memo that includes oil) and the yes panel telling the audience the white paper on independence wasn't what was going to be on offer.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

The misinformation and the scaremongering from Better Together is making me re-examine the misinformation and the scaremongering of the Yes campaign.

I have legal advice on EU entry.
I've started technical discussions on a currency union with the Bank of England.

Two absolute whoppers right there that far outweigh anything the no camp has spun.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

More problems with EU membership.

Another one to add to the Alex is right, everyone else is wrong list.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-with-EU.html

Mr Salmond, who has previously admitted that sterlingisation would merely be a stopgap, insisted the former commissioner was “wrong”. However, he refused three times when challenged by the Telegraph to say what currency would be adopted in the long term.

Mr Rehn, a Finnish MEP, served as the commissioner in charge of economic affairs and the euro between February 2010 and July this year. For the previous five years, he was commissioner in charge of enlargement, meaning he oversaw the accession of new member states.

Mr Salmond has claimed an independent Scotland would start life in the EU thanks to a fast-tracked membership process that would see the European treaties tweaked to include the new member state.

But Mr Rehn rejected this in his letter, dated today, saying Scotland would be forced to apply using the “normal well-known procedures” and meet all the necessary criteria.

Yes Alex the person who oversaw enlargement for several years is wrong and you're right.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

.... or the BT campaign have failed to convince everyone that there won't be a currency union

Maybe. Either way that will end up being the SNP's rather large problem is it turns out that the three party leaders aren't bluffing.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The Welsh know where their bread's buttered.

If they were cut adrift you have the population of Kazakhstan fearing economic migrants from Wales coming over, taking all their jobs.

No we wouldn't, we'd just come over to you seeing as it's apparently so easy to get in to England these days. Just keep paying those taxes please

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Damien

Maybe. Either way that will end up being the SNP's rather large problem is it turns out that the three party leaders aren't bluffing.

You're making the rather large assumption that the SNP will be in Government when Scotland becomes independent. If the vote is yes then you may see their positions softening as their parties seek seats in the new Scottish parliament.

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Originally Posted by Russ

No we wouldn't, we'd just come over to you seeing as it's apparently so easy to get in to England these days. Just keep paying those taxes please

You have to go through France though. Damn that Hadrian's wall

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

You're making the rather large assumption that the SNP will be in Government when Scotland becomes independent. If the vote is yes then you may see their positions softening as their parties seek seats in the new Scottish parliament

The SNP will be in charge when these issues will be negotiated. The Currency, along with NATO and the EU, will be their responsibility.

The other parties will have to be permanently spilt, you will not have UK Parties making concessions to Scotland to help their Scottish counterpart in Scottish elections. Remember that the UK parties will be seeking election for the British Parliament and the public opinion in rUK is not to enter a Currency Union and underwrite a Foreign country's banking sector.

The rest of the UK wants Scotland to stay but if it leaves they do not want it to have an 'à la carte' approach to the Union where it picks and chooses which parts of the Union it wants to keep and which it wants to discard of. The Yes campaign are promising a illusion of maintaining all the benefits of the Union without the drawbacks.

So rUK will agree to bail out Scottish Banks if they go under and will cede some monetary policy over to an Independent Scotland. The remainder of the United Kingdom will also still subsidise the Scottish renewables industry but obviously Scotland will keep all the money from the Oil.

[Stephen]

Yet again the yespests on my FB trying to tell me I'm wrong to vote no and I keep posting untruths! Yet they are the ones claiming I will be better off and the country will have so much more money under an iS.

Haha they don't like facts and can't accept people wanting to remain part of a bigger picture. Or having a differing opinion to theirs.

Believing every bit of nonsense being spouting from Eck and his barmy army of blind followers.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Damien

The SNP will be in charge when these issues will be negotiated. The Currency, along with NATO and the EU, will be their responsibility.

The other parties will have to be permanently spilt, you will not have UK Parties making concessions to Scotland to help their Scottish counterpart in Scottish elections. Remember that the UK parties will be seeking election for the British Parliament and the public opinion in rUK is not to enter a Currency Union and underwrite a Foreign country's banking sector.

The rest of the UK wants Scotland to stay but if it leaves they do not want it to have an 'à la carte' approach to the Union where it picks and chooses which parts of the Union it wants to keep and which it wants to discard of. The Yes campaign are promising a illusion of maintaining all the benefits of the Union without the drawbacks.

So rUK will agree to bail out Scottish Banks if they go under and will cede some monetary policy over to an Independent Scotland. The remainder of the United Kingdom will also still subsidise the Scottish renewables industry but obviously Scotland will keep all the money from the Oil.

The SNP won't be negotiating on it's own. It will involve representatives of the the other parties as well as the wider Scottish civic society.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

The SNP won't be negotiating on it's own. It will involve representatives of the the other parties as well as the wider Scottish civic society.

As the SNP say but they're the ones with the majority in the Scottish Parliament.