U.S Election 2016

[Mr K]

'Malignant narcisissm': Donald Trump displays classic traits of mental illness, claim psychologists

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7552661.html

Oh dear, please tell me he isn't really anywhere near the nuclear button and there is a fail safe. If he'd only stop tweeting crap that would be progress.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...do-it-legally/

And..........?

He may of wanted a Muslim ban and that was what he ran on, but he didn't get one as that would be illegal.


So I don't know what you're trying to say, but It is not a Muslim ban. End of argument.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Really, kindly point it out to me then



in fact point out to me where muslims and christians are mentioned at all......................as you're so well informed.

(b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization

Right there , it's been all over the news today .It was highlighted by the media when the ban was first announced.Also Trump said so himself

President Donald Trump said in a new interview Friday that persecuted Christians will be given priority over other refugees seeking to enter the United States, saying they have been "horribly treated."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/po...tian-refugees/

Of course Trump could be lying and making up fake news or more alternate facts

Once again, it's a Muslim ban.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

It will be our business if there are passengers stopped at Heathrow on route to the US. or even Gatwick for that matter.

I have a feeling that this will be sorted out through the courts.As several people are taking the matter through the Federal Courts.

Trump may be President. But he is NOT above the Law. And he may have broken rules of the Constitution.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

Right there , it's been all over the news today .It was highlighted by the media when the ban was first announced.

Doesn't mention any particular religion.

That could just as easily apply to ahmadis or alawites

Once again, it's a Muslim ban.

No it's not, as the link Hugh posted confirms such a ban would be illegal.

So you're again mid-informed, nut then again you're used to that.

Originally Posted by Pierre

And..........?

He may of wanted a Muslim ban and that was what he ran on, but he didn't get one as that would be illegal.


So I don't know what you're trying to say, but It is not a Muslim ban. End of argument.

Guiliani said Trump wanted a Muslim ban, so they made it happen, but worded it to be legal...

in fact point out to me where muslims and christians are mentioned at all

to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality

Originally Posted by martyh

Right there , it's been all over the news today

Right where ? I do not see either muslims or christians mentioned.

Originally Posted by martyh

Once again, it's a Muslim ban.

In your head maybe, but not in the text of the order.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul M

In your head maybe, but not in the text of the order.

However it is a ban on Muslims in spirit, and that's the main thing for the Donald and his moronic disciples.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Doesn't mention any particular religion.

That could just as easily apply to ahmadis or alawites



No it's not, as the link Hugh posted confirms such a ban would be illegal.

So you're again mid-informed, nut then again you're used to that.

Possibly could apply to any other religion..... apart from Muslims because Muslims are the majority religion in the countries in question.Whichever way you try to spin it ,it is definitely a Muslim ban

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Right where ? I do not see either muslims or christians mentioned.


In your head maybe, but not in the text of the order.

I quoted and highlighted the relevant passage from the order that Pierre quoted

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Originally Posted by Mr K

However it is a ban on Muslims in spirit, and that's the main thing for the Donald and his moronic disciples.

It's a ban on Muslims in practice ,everybody has managed to work it out apart from Mick,Pierre and now Rob

Ford, Amazon and Bank of America have now all come out strongly against the ban. I think Apple, Google and Microsoft already have too. Ford is one of the bigger ones since they were one of the few to say something nice about Trump after the election.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Guiliani said Trump wanted a Muslim ban, so they made it happen, but worded it to be legal...

I don't know how many times you need to hear this to get it.

They worded it to be legal, and thereby made it " not " a Muslim ban, as a Muslim ban would be illegal.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

However it is a ban on Muslims in spirit, and that's the main thing for the Donald and his moronic disciples.

That means absolutely nothing. A waste of finger tapping.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Doesn't mention any particular religion.

That could just as easily apply to ahmadis or alawites



No it's not, as the link Hugh posted confirms such a ban would be illegal.

So you're again mid-informed, nut then again you're used to that.

Weren't you asked to be nicer to Marty? Not sure what "mid-informed" means but calling someone a nut isn't nice, is it?

Let me ask you this then: what religion forms the majority in these banned countries?



Could it be, no it can't be, surely not, impossible, it musn't be or could it be .. Muslims?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

Whichever way you try to spin it ,it is definitely a Muslim ban

I'm just looking at it factually.

1) A ban on muslims would be illegal.
2) muslims are not mentioned in the order.
3) many other Muslim countries are not affected, including Pakistan which. I think is the most populous Muslim country on the globe.

= not a Muslim ban

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Weren't you asked to be nicer to Marty? Not sure what "mid-informed" means but calling someone a nut isn't nice, is it?

Let me ask you this then: what religion forms the majority in these banned countries?



Could it be, no it can't be, surely not, impossible, it musn't be or could it be .. Muslims?

Are they the only Muslim countries on the planet?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm just looking at it factually.

1) A ban on muslims would be illegal.
2) muslims are not mentioned in the order.
3) many other Muslim countries are not affected, including Pakistan which. I think is the most populous Muslim country on the globe.

= not a Muslim ban

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Are they the only Muslim countries on the planet?

Let's compromise: it's a ban on citizens from nominated Muslim countries* unless they happen to be Christians living in said Muslim countries.

* excluding Muslim countries where Trump has business interests

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Let's compromise: it's a ban on citizens from nominated Muslim countries* unless they happen to be Christians living in said Muslim countries.

* excluding Muslim countries where Trump has business interests

If you are going to compromise then let's do it right:- it's a ban on citizens from nominated Muslim countries unless they happen to be Christians living in said Muslim countries who are suffering from religeous persecution. Otherwise it also applies to them.