Unemployment is rising

Originally Posted by Hugh

You don't know if you have grandchildren?

On a more serious note, what do you mean by 'fairly well off', please - capital assets, properties, salary levels, or what?

Personally i can't decide if he's one of these wealthy people that need their wealth re-distributing or if he's full of it

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by ntluser

The problem is that in order to generate growth you need to have lots of workers.

Unfortunately,firms cannot afford to employ enough workers firstly because workers cost too much and secondly because managers have been overpaid disproportionately since 1997 at least.

The result is that though workers are better paid there are fewer of them and they have to work a lot harder to maintain output and growth.

What we need to is to redress the pay balance so that outgoings are reduced and wealth is more equally distributed thereby allowing firms to employ the maximum number of workers it can afford on a reasonable wage and reduce the workload on each worker to a less stressful but more productive level.

Having high wages is not much good if you also have high prices and a stressful work-style to go with it.

Given the state of our overpriced economy and the various black holes in government funds especially pensions, we as a nation need to be looking at ways to make the cost of government, industry and commerce a lot less.

China got all the work by having the cheapest costs. Workers need to realize that it is better to be paid a moderate wage and have a job than to demand a higher wage and have no job. Even the banks are getting rid of staff now, all in pursuit of profits.

Unemployment will continue to rise because as costs rise fewer workers can be employed and currently there is no cohesive plan involving government, employers, unions and workers to drive down costs in a systematic manner which also protects the most vulnerable in society.

What we need from government and the heads of industry and commerce is leadership by example but sadly this has been lacking.Before long, there will be insufficient people working and then the leaders will not be able to pay themselves the big salaries, pensions and bonuses they do at present because the money will just not be there. Worse, all the unemployed will be looking round for someone to blame and we all know where the fingers will be pointed.

It's time for some action now before it is too late.

You make some goods points, but we need to instead set up global labour and wages standards and stronger unions, we should also crackdown on tax evasion and ad voidance both past and present. We might have to also increase taxes or create new ones, we need to reorganise the economy so that businesses have monopolies and are either state owned or comparatives, we also need to increase government spend and for them to invest into the economy, they also need to set up a development bank; we also need to have radical reforms of our political, economic and social system and we need a global government that will be prepaired to do what is right for its people and that’s just the start

And whilst we are at it, why don't we invent a hyperdrive/wormhole technology to help us colonise the galaxies, and introduce immortality for everyone?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

You make some goods points, but we need to instead set up global labour and wages standards and stronger unions, we should also crackdown on tax evasion and ad voidance both past and present. We might have to also increase taxes or create new ones, we need to reorganise the economy so that businesses have monopolies and are either state owned or comparatives, we also need to increase government spend and for them to invest into the economy, they also need to set up a development bank; we also need to have radical reforms of our political, economic and social system and we need a global government that will be prepaired to do what is right for its people and that’s just the start

oh lawdy lawdy Alan you've finally cracked

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Originally Posted by Hugh

And whilst we are at it, why don't we invent a hyperdrive/wormhole technology to help us colonise the galaxies, and introduce immortality for everyone?

He's doing that next Tuesday

I find it strange that someone who wants to increase the wealth of the lower paid plans to create or raise taxes .I also think it strange that someone who thinks that big businesses have too much money wants to create monopolies

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

oh lawdy lawdy Alan you've finally cracked

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He's doing that next Tuesday

I find it strange that someone who wants to increase the wealth of the lower paid plans to create or raise taxes .I also think it strange that someone who thinks that big businesses have too much money wants to create monopolies

I do not care how big or small the company is, just as long as they care more about making money

We need to raise taxes to fix the fianancial mess

The only crackpots on Cf are people who defend a failed social, poltical and economic system

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You don't know if you have grandchildren?

On a more serious note, what do you mean by 'fairly well off', please - capital assets, properties, salary levels, or what?

I don't have any grandchild yet, but I might have some soon, when I mean fairly well of, I mean, not too rich and not too poor unlike this guy

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Why is it that we blame the previous government on what is happening today, the Coalition is running this country, who is digging the knife into the country and making severe cutbacks, who is cutting the armed services, police services etc.

Its David Cameron and Clegg, they are allowing the rich to swallow up freebess handed out for the coalition.

Is it the unemployed fault that they are told they no longer have jobs, as we have simply run out of work, as contracts are going to foriegn companies.

There are many companies gone abroad due to the taxes in this country, VM for example have switched the customer service office to Manilla (where that is l don't know) and l should know as l spoke to them the other night.

This country has to find work for the unemployed, and at the moment they don't give a monkey's, when the summer comes the government will closed down for ywo months and go abroad, what will the unemployed do - nothing.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Why is it that we blame the previous government on what is happening today, the Coalition is running this country, who is digging the knife into the country and making severe cutbacks, who is cutting the armed services, police services etc.

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because the coalition have to do what they are doing because of the actions of the previous government ,this has been explained to you on many occasions Arthur

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Well in that case, there won't be anything left to save, and it saddens me that there are members on this forum that are prepared to sit back and let this coalition rip the country to shreds.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

because the coalition have to do what they are doing because of the actions of the previous government ,this has been explained to you on many occasions Arthur

But can that be said about everything and every cut they make from the start till the end?

are we saying to ourselves "oh well they have to do it because of the previous government"?

are they assuming we're thinking that as well?

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Well in that case, there won't be anything left to save, and it saddens me that there are members on this forum that are prepared to sit back and let this coalition rip the country to shreds.

I agree with Arthur.
and that's because I'm not wooly and I don't go baaaa!

Originally Posted by Gary L

But can that be said about everything and every cut they make from the start till the end?

are we saying to ourselves "oh well they have to do it because of the previous government"?

are they assuming we're thinking that as well?

If the current Government changes something the last one did, then naturally they can say they are changing it because the last government did it and the last government was wrong.

The polls put Labour about 5 points ahead at the moment, which is fairly typical for an opposition party in mid-term. More telling is last week's Sunday Times poll that put Cameron's approval rating at -9, and Millipede's at -38. The personalities of the party leaders will come into play far more when there's an actual election on rather than just polls.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Why is it that we blame the previous government on what is happening today, the Coalition is running this country, who is digging the knife into the country and making severe cutbacks, who is cutting the armed services, police services etc.

Its David Cameron and Clegg, they are allowing the rich to swallow up freebess handed out for the coalition.

Is it the unemployed fault that they are told they no longer have jobs, as we have simply run out of work, as contracts are going to foriegn companies.

There are many companies gone abroad due to the taxes in this country, VM for example have switched the customer service office to Manilla (where that is l don't know) and l should know as l spoke to them the other night.

This country has to find work for the unemployed, and at the moment they don't give a monkey's, when the summer comes the government will closed down for ywo months and go abroad, what will the unemployed do - nothing.

Manilla is the Capital of the Phillipines

The mess we are in has been caused by mainstream parties, the rich and major businesses, until we deal with it, things are not going to get better for us and even worse for our young people, remember they hardly know what Communism is like, nor what life was like Pre-Thatcher, when they look at Capitalism and Democracy, they would look and say

"What the point, it not like we are benefiting from it, unlike this guy"



So they will be looking for an alternative, and I think it will be someone even worse than me, like these people







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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Well in that case, there won't be anything left to save, and it saddens me that there are members on this forum that are prepared to sit back and let this coalition rip the country to shreds.

Well acording to Mervin King (not exatly a lefte), he said that whoever won the 2010 election would be "out of power for a generation", This means that the Tories and Lib Dems will do badly, but who will the voters pick (they are not very keen on Labour)?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...lection-victor

I invoke Godwin's law. Game, set and match.

Originally Posted by Chris

I invoke Godwin's law. Game, set and match.

will he be seizing power ?

[mertle]

well got to give credit to cameron he divided us all so he can conquor while the infighting ensues. Then again is skill been learned over the years honed what thatcher showed.

The art political war to segment people into sectors get each sector to get bickering at each otherso they show little remorse when one sector is attacked.

Who ever wrote the lord of the flies was spot on this country prime example now of this.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by mertle

well got to give credit to cameron he divided us all so he can conquor while the infighting ensues. Then again is skill been learned over the years honed what thatcher showed.

The art political war to segment people into sectors get each sector to get bickering at each otherso they show little remorse when one sector is attacked.

Who ever wrote the lord of the flies was spot on this country prime example now of this.

Which is why all the Anti-Cameron groups should come together and get this government out by any means