Post-Brexit Thread

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

To be honest with you all. I have heard David Lammy MP several times on TV, stating why be believes that will should remain.

I heard this evening on London News, David again expressing why we should remain. And that he wants Parliament to veto the vote.

And what he said tonight, sent shivers down my Spine. He has stated that money from the EU, goes to poor towns of the UK, and helps in these area's.

Yes, l am a Labour Voter, but if l had known that. I may have said REMAIN.

As to me we should be doing all we can to help the poor.

We DID NOT HEAR about this in the discussions, I didn't hear this from my MP. So really, I blame Labour MPs, for not passing this info onto the Voter.

Yes, we pay a lot of money into the EU. But if the EU help out the poor in this country. Especially, David Lammy, said that the EU helps out the North of England. And poor area's of Wales. Then my vote would change.

I don't think we, the voter, was given the full facts in this vote

This is an example of democracy and will of the people we all feel so strongly about, I've characteristically had another change of heart and would've been annoyed no matter who won given the levels of ignorance almost routinely being displayed by voters of either faction, it's worrying as I think the uk could be the only place on earth where turkeys would vote for Christmas given the chance.

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm happy with my voting out as well I would still vote out given a 2/3/4 chance. problem with some people they don't open their eyes or ears.

The Leave side never said the 350m would be spent on the NHS they said it could be and this has been repeated so many times it is actually getting boring listening too it and reading it. The media is just looking to stir the pot as much as they can as they don't care IN or OUT they'll mix it just to get a story going.

Story - ££ for them

Look at the crap that came out of the remain side, Racist Brexiters, WW3, no trade with America, house prices lose 20% hundreds of thousands of job losses. companies shutting shop and moving to the EU.

That is before we even start with Cameron. you know the prime minister the guy that was securing our place in the EU and getting reform. The same guy that came back with nothing and said if he didn't get what he wanted he would leave the OUT campaign himself.

It was ok him saying he was happy with what he came back with it was not the pledge he said he was going for which was now where near and it wasn't even legally binding just word of mouth.

So when we talk about lies maybe we should start with all this.

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That is the problem though isn't it the EU takes our money and spends it where they like what they think it should be spent on. if people can't see what is happening then I'm glad I voted out

Yes and they should never have made the 350 million claim full stop as it's a lie no matter what they claim it is or isn't going to be spent on

[techguyone]

It beats me why on Earth anyone over the age of 40 needed to be 'convinced' one way or the other You've LIVED through it. You're ALREADY an expert on how the EU works, and you SHOULD have been able to vote the way you did because of that life EXPERIENCE.

Christ if we all need to be lead around by the nose by people who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart then you shouldn't be voting at all as it's clearly too much for you poor things.

I'll concede the younger generation won't have that advantage.

Amongst the animal kingdom we have evolved big brains for a reason and it isn't to remember the cast of Coronation Street...

Sometimes I despair.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Martyh.,
IF, we don't know these things. I am honest enough to admit it.

I was told the other day by a work colleague, who comes from Cornwall. That this is what happens.

I didn't know that. The only thing that was drummed into me over the past couple f months. WE pay millions to the EU, and only get so much back.

Then we are told by MPs about immigration etc etc.

IF, we had been told that by MPs, instead of arguing with each other. Then things would have been different.

If lam wrong, l admit it. I DIDNT KNOW

[Mr K]

There'll be a lot of folks realising ( too late) what the EU funded in the coming years. Farmers are in for the biggest shock, promises of their payments being maintained is another Brexit lie.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr K

There'll be a lot of folks realising ( too late) what the EU funded in the coming years. Farmers are in for the biggest shock, promises of their payments being maintained is another Brexit lie.

I was talking about farms earlier. I reckon a lot of farms will sell up. sell the land and houses will be built in the countryside to house immigrants and such. so all the country remainers can be happy about Brexit with all their new neighbours.

[Jimmy-J]

The shock of the "leave" result knocked me sideways... I didn't expect that result, even though that was the outcome I wanted! But I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to stand by my original opinion which I posted on CF weeks before the referendum, and that was this...

The UK will remain in the EU permanently. That's the way it has to be. I guarantee it.

The only way it could happen is if the EU ceased to exist.

It's not happening.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

The shock of the "leave" result knocked me sideways... I didn't expect that result, even though that was the outcome I wanted! But I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to stand by my original opinion which I posted on CF weeks before the referendum, and that was this...



The only way it could happen is if the EU ceased to exist.

It's not happening.

You can guarantee what you want, it won't happen.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You can guarantee what you want, it won't happen.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Meanwhile...

Article 50 process on Brexit faces legal challenge to ensure parliamentary involvement

Legal steps have been taken to ensure the UK Government will not trigger the procedure for withdrawal from the EU without an Act of Parliament. The case is being brought by leading law firm, Mishcon de Reya, on behalf of a group of clients. Following publication of articles on the subject this week Mishcon de Reya has retained Baron David Pannick QC and Tom Hickman to act as counsel in this action, along with Rhodri Thompson QC and Anneli Howard.

The Referendum held on 23 June was an exercise to obtain the views of UK citizens, the majority of whom expressed a desire to leave the EU. But the decision to trigger Article 50 of the Treaty of European Union, the legal process for withdrawal from the EU, rests with the representatives of the people under the UK Constitution.

http://www.mishcon.com/news/firm_new...vement_07_2016

We will have riots: Outrage as lawyers launch legal bid to stop Brexit

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685...rexit-EU-leave

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On the Beeb...

"The result of the referendum is not in doubt, but we need a process that follows UK law to enact it.

"The outcome of the referendum itself is not legally binding and for the current or future prime minister to invoke Article 50 without the approval of Parliament is unlawful.

"We must make sure this is done properly for the benefit of all UK citizens. Article 50 simply cannot be invoked without a full debate and vote in Parliament."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

Originally Posted by techguyone

It beats me why on Earth anyone over the age of 40 needed to be 'convinced' one way or the other You've LIVED through it. You're ALREADY an expert on how the EU works, and you SHOULD have been able to vote the way you did because of that life EXPERIENCE.

Christ if we all need to be lead around by the nose by people who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart then you shouldn't be voting at all as it's clearly too much for you poor things.

I'll concede the younger generation won't have that advantage.

Amongst the animal kingdom we have evolved big brains for a reason and it isn't to remember the cast of Coronation Street...

Sometimes I despair.

Reading stories in the Express and the Mail doesn't make anyone an expert on anything, considering how many times they've been proven wrong...

[denphone]

And those two papers among some others are very good at promoting or demoting certain views so my advice and that not something one should listen to is to find out the true facts about something rather then listen to the great educators of the vast majority of our wonderfully biased media..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Reading stories in the Express and the Mail doesn't make anyone an expert on anything, considering how many times they've been proven wrong...

I think the problem in all of this is that it was extremely difficult for ordinary people to get the real facts and thus they were forced to fall back on the news they gleaned from daily newspapers and the rest of the media.

It was made even worse by the fact that both sides populated their arguments with untruths.

We have moved from Terra Firma where we knew relatively well what was happening to Terra Incognita where we have no idea what the future holds.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by martyh

It will happen as soon as the leader is chosen within the first few weeks at any rate .There is a democratic mandate in place and Europe simply won't allow us to keep stalling

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All the Brexiters i know are still happy with the decision they made ,as am I.There will be no further vote and we will be leaving the EU ,that is certain .

Well I'm happy with my vote and I don't know anyone who regrets voting leave either.

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Originally Posted by martyh

UKIP couldn't form a government ,in reality their only purpose was to get the UK out of Europe that has been achieved ,nothing left for UKIP

Oh there is. They and the disgruntled Labour members could form a new Party to take on Labour and the Tories. They won't cease to be just because they have achieved their main goal. Shades of the gang of four here. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

To be honest with you all. I have heard David Lammy MP several times on TV, stating why be believes that will should remain.

I heard this evening on London News, David again expressing why we should remain. And that he wants Parliament to veto the vote.

And what he said tonight, sent shivers down my Spine. He has stated that money from the EU, goes to poor towns of the UK, and helps in these area's.

Yes, l am a Labour Voter, but if l had known that. I may have said REMAIN.

As to me we should be doing all we can to help the poor.

We DID NOT HEAR about this in the discussions, I didn't hear this from my MP. So really, I blame Labour MPs, for not passing this info onto the Voter.

Yes, we pay a lot of money into the EU. But if the EU help out the poor in this country. Especially, David Lammy, said that the EU helps out the North of England. And poor area's of Wales. Then my vote would change.

I don't think we, the voter, was given the full facts in this vote

That is the biggest crock I've heard in a while. Tell him to come to the North East of England and then make that statement. Middlesboro is fast becoming a ghost City, Hartlepool is already there. Easington, Horden and Peterlee (where I Live) are broken down towns with the majority of those in work on 0 hours contracts. Easington may look fine from the main street but just go into the back streets where a lot of the houses are empty and see the broken windows of houses where thieves have stolen the boilers and any copper and lead they can find. Also a lot of these towns and villages have lost their pibs and post offices. He's full of poo. He knows nothing about poor towns or what life is like in these towns. I'm lucky, I went private renting and have a decent home but it's twice the rent of Council houses.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

This is an example of democracy and will of the people we all feel so strongly about, I've characteristically had another change of heart and would've been annoyed no matter who won given the levels of ignorance almost routinely being displayed by voters of either faction, it's worrying as I think the uk could be the only place on earth where turkeys would vote for Christmas given the chance.



Yes and they should never have made the 350 million claim full stop as it's a lie no matter what they claim it is or isn't going to be spent on

I doubt that would have made any difference. Seems to me people were not really listening to the lies from either side but voted on conscience, experience, Sovereignty and independence. This claim of a lot regretting their decision I wouldn't go as far to say is a blatant lie but it's over exaggerated.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

It beats me why on Earth anyone over the age of 40 needed to be 'convinced' one way or the other You've LIVED through it. You're ALREADY an expert on how the EU works, and you SHOULD have been able to vote the way you did because of that life EXPERIENCE.

Christ if we all need to be lead around by the nose by people who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart then you shouldn't be voting at all as it's clearly too much for you poor things.

I'll concede the younger generation won't have that advantage.

Amongst the animal kingdom we have evolved big brains for a reason and it isn't to remember the cast of Coronation Street...

Sometimes I despair.

Exactly what I've been saying all along here. I'm 62 and voted purely on experience. Though I watched the comedy shows called debates I had a good laugh at both sides believe me. I remember when we weren't in the EU and yes the country was in a mess in the 70s but it wasn't because we weren't in the EU, it was because the Unions were holding the country to ransom. Well I remember the 3 day weeks and had to work them.12 hours on and 12 hours off. Well too I remember the power cuts of 4 hours on and 4 hours off. But the time before this was good. You could walk out of one job on the Friday and into another on the Monday especially in the Building Trade. It isn't selective memory as some may claim it's the truth. The EU came along and put new rules and regulations in place and now you can't pee without wondering if it will infringe some EU law.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

There'll be a lot of folks realising ( too late) what the EU funded in the coming years. Farmers are in for the biggest shock, promises of their payments being maintained is another Brexit lie.

The EU didn't fund anything. It was your money sent to the EU that funded things. This is what you are getting back so you're not losing it.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

The shock of the "leave" result knocked me sideways... I didn't expect that result, even though that was the outcome I wanted! But I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to stand by my original opinion which I posted on CF weeks before the referendum, and that was this...



The only way it could happen is if the EU ceased to exist.

It's not happening.

Then you'd better prepare for riots in the streets and be prepared to give up your democracy because it will no longer exist. What little we have only exists now because we fight to hold on to it. Democracy as we really knew it went out the window the minute we signed up to the Common Market/EEC/EU.

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

We'll just have to wait and see.

Meanwhile...





http://www.mishcon.com/news/firm_new...vement_07_2016



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685...rexit-EU-leave

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On the Beeb...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

Is this new?

We already knew there would need to be an Act of Parliament, it's not been kept a secret

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

We'll just have to wait and see.

Meanwhile...





http://www.mishcon.com/news/firm_new...vement_07_2016



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685...rexit-EU-leave

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On the Beeb...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

I don't deny it will take an Act of Parliament as will another Scottish referendum but it will only be a matter of formality. It will pass then we can get on with getting out of this den of vipers to quote a famous man who tried to blow up Parliament in 1605.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

That is the biggest crock I've heard in a while. Tell him to come to the North East of England and then make that statement. Middlesboro is fast becoming a ghost City, Hartlepool is already there.

What a load of crap !!!!!

First off, It's Middlesbrough

In which way is it becoming a ghost city?

Multiple high end developments such as Acklam Hall (including the refurbishment of the hall itself and the new houses that have been built, the houses that were built on Church lane The Storey development at Low Lane
The houses at Low Lane for a 4 bed detached start at £244,000 the ones on Church Lane were up starting at £350,000 and Acklam Hall starting at £245,000

Church Lane sold out in two weeks, Acklam hall has perhaps three properties left

c) The Baker Street development, and also thriving micro pubs that are springing up. You have major retailers in the high street such as Debenhams,House of Fraser, and there is a fast growing independent retail scene also

There is a huge amount of regeneration work currently going on in Middlesbrough, including the work currently on going in Grovehill

Not sure how it's a ghost city?