Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
14-03-2012, 18:06
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
AHHHHHHH!
i get it.....
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14-03-2012, 18:07
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
I would say most of the people who leave torrents hammering away constantly don't know how to circumvent it or even know its there.
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14-03-2012, 18:20
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
So if its changing from UNLIMITED to limited with personal alowance, does that give you grounds to cancel? Infinity is calling!!!
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There's no way in hell that i am paying over £42 just for a 100mb internet connection, that is only useable when they want me to use it!!!!!!
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14-03-2012, 19:03
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
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There's no way in hell that i am paying over £42 just for a 100mb internet connection, that is only useable when they want me to use it!!!!!!
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14-03-2012, 19:40
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
Can I remind members that uncivil posts will not be tolerated, last posts removed. Anymore and I will be taking action.
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14-03-2012, 19:41
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
keep avoiding the question Ben
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14-03-2012, 21:49
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
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Originally Posted by Jayster
I would say most of the people who leave torrents hammering away constantly don't know how to circumvent it or even know its there.
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Unfortunately for me and doubtless others that's only most and not all. Fortunately for me Infinity came early to an exchange next door to mine and Openreach have already installed the extra Infinity cabinet that I'll be on as soon as I can.
If VM don't want to haemorrhage customers as a result of their selling 100Mbps unlimited on infrastructure that can't deliver it they'll either need to put in some pretty substantial upgrade work or curtail the torrent freaks. Naturally doing that will cost them business too... It's all a problem entirely of their own making.
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15-03-2012, 22:07
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
I can't see VM bringing in usage caps, plus once BT becomes more widespread with there fiber optic they will suffer the same issues as VM, BT infinity is only small a the moment and BT have a massive network, but they will soon become overloaded.
But back on the subject does anyone know of the limits they are trailing?
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15-03-2012, 22:50
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
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Originally Posted by broadbandking
I can't see VM bringing in usage caps, plus once BT becomes more widespread with there fiber optic they will suffer the same issues as VM, BT infinity is only small a the moment and BT have a massive network, but they will soon become overloaded.
But back on the subject does anyone know of the limits they are trailing?
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you do understand that BT dont use docsis so as such dont have the same bottleneck issue?
whilst BT may well get congested it wont be in the same way that VM does.
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15-03-2012, 22:51
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
Indeed. Capacity to/from the cab may as well be uncontended. Even if you do have contention issues on the BT Wholesale network, you still have the choice of LLU providers who run their own backhauls, the likes of Sky, O2, and TalkTalk, etc.
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15-03-2012, 23:25
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
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Originally Posted by broadbandking
I can't see VM bringing in usage caps, plus once BT becomes more widespread with there fiber optic they will suffer the same issues as VM, BT infinity is only small a the moment and BT have a massive network, but they will soon become overloaded.
But back on the subject does anyone know of the limits they are trailing?
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with regards to Infinity, I think it was qas who pointed out the other day (too tired to go and look back) that the worst it can possible get is a 5:1 contention ratio, and that just sounds like flipping heaven compared to VM. I am all for competition and fair trading and all that stuff but if BT keep on going like they are atm I pray that everyone dumps whatever isp they are on atm and switched to Infinity. I am always preaching about brand quality and customer loyalty and at the moment Infinity is a fantastic network with great potential at a great price.
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15-03-2012, 23:36
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
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Originally Posted by General Maximus
with regards to Infinity, I think it was qas who pointed out the other day (too tired to go and look back) that the worst it can possible get is a 5:1 contention ratio,
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That was just the upstream, though those numbers were an understimate. Each cab gets multiple dedicated gigabit links to the headend (not just one), with BT putting in more as needed to maintain a (almost) guaranteed minimum speed of 30mbps per 80mb customer. The worst-case scenario on the downstream would be a fully-loaded 128-line cab with every user on 80mb and 2Gbps of backhaul, still only 5:1 contention on the downstream and 1.25:1 on the upstream, assuming they don't light up the extra fibre as promised.
But that's just cab to exchange - what happens at the exchange and how contended the BT Wholesale pipe is is up to the ISP. Contention issues on BT usually happen at the exchange and Wholesale pipes - those are limited by how much an ISP wants to pay for how much capacity. ADSL lines are 100% uncontended from exchange to user, yet there are plenty of congestion issues on BT ADSL
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16-03-2012, 00:01
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Re: Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
if you want to avoid congestion at the exchange, avoid talktalk as the ISP
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