Post-Brexit Thread

Mr Corbyn said he was not against the PM triggering Article 50 but would vote against Mrs May unless she adopted the “Brexit bottom lines”.

He added: “These must be the basis of the negotiations. And it doesn’t necessarily cause a delay.

“The court has thrown a big spanner in the works by saying Parliament must be consulted. We accept the result of the referendum.

“We are not challenging the referendum. We are not calling for a second referendum. We’re calling for market access for British industry to Europe.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...imatum-9204393

So in actual fact Corbyn is not going to vote against A50 being invoked he simply wants his "bottom lines" accepted during the negotiation process ,which i suppose is fair play for an opposition leader .

seems the media are up to their tricks again

[Gavin78]

In Generations to come it will be the media running the country

[ianch99]

Nigel is huffing & puffing again:

Nigel Farage and Gina Miller clash over Brexit

He is implying that Parliament has no say in this process .. bad Nigel

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Nigel is huffing & puffing again:

Nigel Farage and Gina Miller clash over Brexit

He is implying that Parliament has no say in this process .. bad Nigel

Parliament has already had it's say, and that was "let the voters decide in a referendum". Otherwise what was the Parliamentary vote allowing the referendum about?

Parliament is not the end stage of any legislation, Royal Assent is.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Parliament has already had it's say, and that was "let the voters decide in a referendum". Otherwise what was the Parliamentary vote allowing the referendum about?

Parliament is not the end stage of any legislation, Royal Assent is.

But Dave messed up didn't he The referendum was not based on sound law it seems so we need Parliament to sort out his mess.

Gary was right all along

Originally Posted by ianch99

Nigel is huffing & puffing again:

Nigel Farage and Gina Miller clash over Brexit

He is implying that Parliament has no say in this process .. bad Nigel

They still may not, if the Supreme Court upholds the Governments appeal from the High Court ruling. So he's not all bad, is he ?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

They still may not, if the Supreme Court upholds the Governments appeal from the High Court ruling. So he's not all bad, is he ?

Not being a legal expert or a expert on anything come to think of it l would say the Supreme Court will go the same way as the judges did Mick but Brexit will still go through with the process starting in March 2017 with May firing the gun.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Parliament has already had it's say, and that was "let the voters decide in a referendum". Otherwise what was the Parliamentary vote allowing the referendum about?

Parliament is not the end stage of any legislation, Royal Assent is.

Parliament has only had it's say in the act to allow the referendum,it has not played any part in repealing the ECA ,of which invoking A50 is part because that hasn't started yet .People seem to be struggling with way our democratic system works

Royal assent is granted or refused based on advice from the Monarchs Ministers who will always tell the Monarch to allow legislation that has passed through Parliament .Parliament is the supreme authority with the Monarch at it's head .It alone can pass laws or repeal laws .....not the Government

Originally Posted by denphone

Not being a legal expert or a expert on anything come to think of it l would say the Supreme Court will go the same way as the judges did Mick but Brexit will still go through with the process starting in March 2017 with May firing the gun.

They could go any way, we don't know denphone. You had a Court ruling in Northern Ireland, that says the PM does have Royal prerogative and then another one in London from the other day, saying she doesn't, whose right? Two Courts don't agree with each other. That will be down to the Supreme Court to decide.

Originally Posted by denphone

Not being a legal expert or a expert on anything come to think of it l would say the Supreme Court will go the same way as the judges did Mick but Brexit will still go through with the process starting in March 2017 with May firing the gun.

It would be very difficult for the supreme court to uphold an appeal,effectively change their mind, without very persuasive reasons and allowing Government to solely start the process of repealing the ECA and bypassing Parliament it goes against our whole democratic and legal process

It all depends on whether the act of invoking A50 inevitably leads to the repeal of the ECA 1972. If it does, then only Parliament can authorise it. If not, government can act by prerogative right now and Parliament will become involved when needed. The high court has ruled one way, but the argument is complex and nuanced. It is quite possible that the Supreme Court will rule the other way.

Originally Posted by Chris

It all depends on whether the act of invoking A50 inevitably leads to the repeal of the ECA 1972. If it does, then only Parliament can authorise it. If not, government can act by prerogative right now and Parliament will become involved when needed. The high court has ruled one way, but the argument is complex and nuanced. It is quite possible that the Supreme Court will rule the other way.

Since there is no provision in A50 to stop it once started then it must lead to the repeal of A50 mustn't it ?

[pip08456]

The repeal of the ECA 1973 has nothing to do with A50.

A50 merely triggers the process of withdrawal, repeal of ECA would form part of that process and be debated in parliament in the normal way.

Originally Posted by pip08456

The repeal of the ECA 1973 has nothing to do with A50.

A50 merely triggers the process of withdrawal, repeal of ECA would form part of that process and be debated in parliament in the normal way.

The high court judges disagree with you

We cannot leave the EU until the ECA has been repealed and appropriate legislation put in it's place and since A50 starts that process and cannot be stopped it is very much part of the process ,how much the two are linked is now up to the supreme court to decide ,i suspect they will stay with the original decision that invoking A50 ultimately leads to the repeal of the ECA 1972 and therefore must be put through Parliament

Originally Posted by pip08456

The repeal of the ECA 1973 has nothing to do with A50.

A50 merely triggers the process of withdrawal, repeal of ECA would form part of that process and be debated in parliament in the normal way.

If the UK government invokes article 50 and then nobody talks about it at all for 2 years, then at the end of that period the UK automatically leaves the European Union. Obviously they're not going to do that but it is that aspect, that it *might be* inevitable, that is the issue. The European Communities Act 1972 says that the UK is a member of the EU. If the UK government undoes our membership then it undoes the will of Parliament.

It may sound like arguing about how many angels you can fit on a pinhead but the balance of powers between the legislature and the executive and the supremacy of parliament is about as fundamental as it gets. They have to treat it very seriously because decisions taken now set precedents for the future.