Post-Brexit Thread - Page 160

mrmistoffelees · 03-11-2016, 10:34

Not such a done deal now is it......

Dave42 · 03-11-2016, 10:37

Brexiteers are touchingly terrified of the Parliamentary sovereignty they supposedly champion

1andrew1 · 03-11-2016, 10:42

As Boris Johnson said last night at The Spectator Awards, "Brexit will be a Titanic success"

**Chris** · 03-11-2016, 10:43

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Originally Posted by Dave42

Brexiteers are touchingly terrified of the Parliamentary sovereignty they supposedly champion

Who's terrified?

Parliamentarians represent us, and if we're not happy with their representations we replace them. They know this.

I think we may find, in the coming weeks, that a lot of MPs who were happy to blow hard about the necessity of a vote as long as they thought they weren't actually going to get one, will start moderating their tone.

Remainers are still touchingly unaware that they were in a minority last June and, according to polls, still are.

**Damien** · 03-11-2016, 10:48

The worry about Parliament is that they'll want details of the plan before voting to issue Article 50 which the Government wanted to do. Most people don't think they'll vote it down.

tweetiepooh · 03-11-2016, 10:54

Parliament may vote according to what their local constituents want. In my area it is very pro remain so does my MP vote to the country or to his constituents? Have some people changed their minds now we have a downturn in economy (that may have happened anyway)?

I pity the poor MP's who are now going to get flooded with letters from both sides to vote their way. Do they vote with the nation or with their area or with their own beliefs or party line?

Personally I think they should follow the national will in this but then I support leaving.

**Damien** · 03-11-2016, 11:01

National will: Brexit.
Most MPs constituencies: Brexit.

1andrew1 · 03-11-2016, 11:02

Will be interesting to see how this impacts the Richmond by-election. Zac Goldsmith is popular with his constituents but 72% of them voted to remain in the EU.

Kabaal · 03-11-2016, 11:07

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Parliament may vote according to what their local constituents want. In my area it is very pro remain so does my MP vote to the country or to his constituents? Have some people changed their minds now we have a downturn in economy (that may have happened anyway)?

I pity the poor MP's who are now going to get flooded with letters from both sides to vote their way. Do they vote with the nation or with their area or with their own beliefs or party line?

Personally I think they should follow the national will in this but then I support leaving.

That's why they'll probably have an early general election first, then they can vote against their constituents without fear.

**Chris** · 03-11-2016, 11:41

Well the gov has confirmed it will appeal to the Supreme Court so we'll have to see what happens next.

**Damien** · 03-11-2016, 11:45

The Government should just call the vote imo.

**Chris** · 03-11-2016, 11:48

I don't think they can, not now the question is open. A court ruling limiting the Royal Prerogative isn't something the government can just leave halfway up the court system. The prerogative is, essentially, the means by which the British government gets away with doing anything that hasn't been explicitly authorised by Parliament. If it's a critical constitutional issue - and it is - then it has to be pursued to the end. The outcome is likely to be cited in any and every future challenge to the boundary between the powers of Crown and Parliament so it has to be settled decisively now.

pip08456 · 03-11-2016, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Government should just call the vote imo.

If only it were that simple.

The problem is that Parliament want to debate the strategy etc relating to A50 thereby weaking our hand in any Brexit negotiations, that's why it was taken to court.

1andrew1 · 03-11-2016, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Chris

I don't think they can, not now the question is open. A court ruling limiting the Royal Prerogative isn't something the government can just leave halfway up the court system. The prerogative is, essentially, the means by which the British government gets away with doing anything that hasn't been explicitly authorised by Parliament. If it's a critical constitutional issue - and it is - then it has to be pursued to the end. The outcome is likely to be cited in any and every future challenge to the boundary between the powers of Crown and Parliament so it has to be settled decisively now.

For timeliness, can't they do both - appeal and call the vote? (They'll win the vote so what have they got to lose? They've already lost face with this decision today.)

Osem · 03-11-2016, 11:53

For all those who've been banging on about how May needs to get on with this, well this decision isn't going to help and we all know what uncertainty results in. I think we're in danger of undermining the UK's interests to such an extent that the result is the worst of both worlds as opposed to the best. I dare say, also, that there'll be those who take perverse 'satisfaction' from the fact that they helped make it happen because from the midst of the resulting economic damage they'll be able to whine on about how 'we told you so'...

The fact is that what's going on right now is making the UK appear weak to the very people we need to be negotiating with and who from anyone reading this would opt for that approach in their own personal or business lives I wonder?...