Explosion on London Underground
17-09-2017, 10:17
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Alleged bomber Mick or possibly just has information they want.
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17-09-2017, 11:01
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I would even go so far as saying that the UK is not sharing Intel with the US again, given the identity of the terrorist has not been leaked by the New York Times yet.
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17-09-2017, 11:06
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I would even go so far as saying that the UK is not sharing Intel with the US again, given the identity of the terrorist has not been leaked by the New York Times yet.
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Is it any surprise given their blabbermouth President ?
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17-09-2017, 11:28
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Is it any surprise given their blabbermouth President ?
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Here you go again with inaccuracies.
He did not leak anything, he criticised in the tweet and as for leaks last time it was the gutter press, NYT who published leaked crime scene photos of the Manchester Arena bombing.
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17-09-2017, 12:39
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Here you go again with inaccuracies.
He did not leak anything, he criticised in the tweet and as for leaks last time it was the gutter press, NYT who published leaked crime scene photos of the Manchester Arena bombing.
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Theresa had to tell him off for his latest tweet, which compromised the ongoing investigation (again).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7948876.html
Don't tell the US anything, they can't be trusted.
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17-09-2017, 13:17
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Saying they were "in the sights of Scotland Yard" ?
Could you explain how that is compromising any investigation.
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17-09-2017, 13:19
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Saying they were "in the sights of Scotland Yard" ?
Could you explain how that is compromising any investigation.
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It obviously did otherwise the PM wouldn't have to have told him off.
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17-09-2017, 13:22
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It obviously did otherwise the PM wouldn't have to have told him off.
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17-09-2017, 13:28
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Announcing to the world that we know who they are may make them change whatever plans they have, which could result in any intelligence that's been gathered becoming useless.
If you haven't caught someone yet I would imagine it's far more effective for them to believe you know nothing.
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17-09-2017, 13:44
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Yes, of course, they must be so stupid that they actually believe we know nothing about them all.
Any terrorist with an once of intelligence would know that their identity will be discovered pretty quickly.
How does "intelligence that's been gathered" become useless ?
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17-09-2017, 13:44
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Saying they were "in the sights of Scotland Yard" ?
Could you explain how that is compromising any investigation.
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The context of 'were' makes it sound like the person was known to the police. I.E He was a 'person of interest' prior to the bombing. Don't think it compromises the investigation, he may have been speculating anyway, but it was an interesting bit of info.
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17-09-2017, 13:58
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Theresa May did not tell him off at all. She said any speculation, from any person, was unhelpful, that is not a telling off. Theresa May has not got the tenacity to tell anybody off.
But just wait a few hours, it may be announced shortly that what Trump tweeted was accurate and that this terrorist was on a watch list or radar and as usual, authorities wait until they carry out an attack, potentially kill more of our citizens and then we repeat the same old, lighting of a candles, standing in solidarity cliche, that does not and will not stop further terrorist events.
As for trusting the US. I trust the US more under a Trump Presidency than an Obama/Clinton Presidency, remember, Obama was prepared to dump us at the back of the queue, if we voted leave, so not only was he prepared to sideline us and Hillary Clinton would have done same, had she won, (thank goodness that disaster was avoided), he interfered in a foreign election/referendum by blackmailing us and the UK Government stood back and allowed it!
We should trust the US with our Intel, they are after all, our most important ally. What we should not trust, is the Obama holdovers still in the White House, still in post and intent on undermining the Trump Presidency by leaking information to the gutter press, i.e the aforementioned, New York Times.
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17-09-2017, 14:04
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But just wait a few hours, it may be announced shortly that what Trump tweeted was accurate and that this terrorist was on a watch list or radar and as usual, authorities wait until they carry out an attack, potentially kill more of our citizens and then we repeat the same old, lighting of a candles, standing in solidarity cliche, that does not and will not stop further terrorist events.
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It probably was accurate. He has access to intel we don't. Hence the interest in this tweet.
Also the lighting of candles etc isn't mean to stop further terrorist attack but is more about the moral of those involved. People like to make symbolic acts of defiance, or solidarity. We're humans not robots. Nothing wrong with that.
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17-09-2017, 14:23
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It probably was accurate. He has access to intel we don't. Hence the interest in this tweet.
Also the lighting of candles etc isn't mean to stop further terrorist attack but is more about the moral of those involved. People like to make symbolic acts of defiance, or solidarity. We're humans not robots. Nothing wrong with that.
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Yes, I understand that and it's how humans deal with severe tragedies, I get that, but how many times do we have to go through this before we do something about it?
I don't know what that 'something' is. But something needs to be done, we cannot carry on waiting for the next atrocity after atrocity.
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17-09-2017, 14:32
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Yes, I understand that and it's how humans deal with severe tragedies, I get that, but how many times do we have to go through this before we do something about it. I don't know what that 'something' is. But something needs to be done, we cannot carry on waiting for the next atrocity after atrocity.
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That's the problem. We don't know what that something is.
We've tried foreign intervention but that doesn't, might have even made it worse. We've made being a member of any group which advocates terrorism illegal but these people don't become card-carrying members of such groups. It's illegal to look at any such material but I wonder how hard that is to actually enforce.
I think the end there is only so much you can do against people were are willing to get cars/make homemade bombs/get a knife to kill people. The best we can do is not let these people have such a hold of our collective imaginations.
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