Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So the FT puts forward it will take longer than 2 years to reach a deal. Article 50 says otherwise.



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They're probably right, It only takes one bolshie republic to put the kibosh on all the rest, ask the Canadians, they had a 7 year deal fall over because of a small part of Belgium.

Hard Brexit it is then, 2 years on the dot we just shrug and go WTO tariff.

It's not CMD at the helm now, just go in with that hard brexit front and centre and see what happens, whatever we do, don't show a whiff of fear to them.

They have much more on their plate than we do, with failing economies, migrants coming out of their backsides etc etc, they need us very much more than we need them, and they know it and hopefully they'll know that we know they know it.

Bring it on.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by techguyone

They're probably right, It only takes one bolshie republic to put the kibosh on all the rest, ask the Canadians, they had a 7 year deal fall over because of a small part of Belgium.

Hard Brexit it is then, 2 years on the dot we just shrug and go WTO tariff.

It's not CMD at the helm now, just go in with that hard brexit front and centre and see what happens, whatever we do, don't show a whiff of fear to them.

They have much more on their plate than we do, with failing economies, migrants coming out of their backsides etc etc, they need us very much more than we need them, and they know it and hopefully they'll know that we know they know it.

Bring it on.

No, at the end of 2yrs everything finishes and it's hard Brexit unless not only the other 27 but the UK as well agree to continue negotiations.

The only way I can see around it is for all EEA trading rules to stay in place pending trade negotiations being concluded. Will the EU agree? I think not because free movement is inextricably linked to it.

WTO rules will then apply. Not good for either party so gives impetus to a deal of some sort to be brokered within 2yrs even if it is only an interim one.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Not good for either party so gives impetus to a deal of some sort to be brokered within 2yrs even if it is only an interim one.

I strongly suspect some kind of interim deal will be agreed. I know that techguyone criticised Belgium for holding up the Canada deal "It only takes one bolshie republic to put the kibosh on all the rest" but that's their sovereign right. I expect that the EU27's parliaments will want to similarly sign off any trade deal with the UK as well.

[pip08456]

It had to happen. Interesting times for the coming week. What power do they think they have?

Peers from across the parties will begin efforts to make changes to Theresa May’s plan for Brexit in the House of Lords on Monday, despite warnings from Tory MPs that their actions will increase appetite for reform or abolition of the upper chamber.

I know it's the Guardian but...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

What power do they think have?

The power to get themselves abolished, with a bit of luck

[heero_yuy]

Commenting, Change Britain supporter Anne-Marie Trevelyan said:

‘This Bill is simply about giving the Prime Minister the authority to trigger Article 50 and begin the process of leaving the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. Unelected peers shouldn’t seek to delay this because they refuse to accept the result of the referendum.

‘Many of these Lords are also set to receive generous pensions from the EU. They should declare this so the public know whether they are voting with democracy or their bank account in mind.’

Linky

EU gravytrain peers.

[1andrew1]

An ingenious European lawsuit could finally provide a realistic way to stop Brexit

But what ultimately fueled his decision to file the case was the injustice he has seen in his practice of many years fighting tax-avoidance cases, trying to recover money that corporations owed to the government.
“Our systems and institutions don’t protect the weak and the poor,” he said. “For many years, I’ve been working on ensuring that our legal system works for those who do not have much. This Brexit case is a natural, logical extension of that work.”

https://qz.com/906547/an-ingenious-e...tm_source=qzfb

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

An ingenious European lawsuit could finally provide a realistic way to stop Brexit

https://qz.com/906547/an-ingenious-e...tm_source=qzfb

Absolute rubbish. Andrew, you need to stop it with the fantasy stories. Brexit IS happening.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Absolute rubbish. Andrew, you need to stop it with the fantasy stories. Brexit IS happening.

I don't have any fantasty stories Mick. And I'm not asking people to agree with the protagonist. This is a link to a news item. I think it's of interest to the thread's readers.

[techguyone]

Then instead of just posting clickbait stuff for 'discussion' why don't you add your own comments on the articles you post, it's annoying you just posting mainly negative stuff then letting us get on with it, you're not a teacher setting us a subject and then saying 'discuss' it's a forum, so don't just copy & post, comment.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Then instead of just posting clickbait stuff for 'discussion' why don't you add your own comments on the articles you post, it's annoying you just posting mainly negative stuff then letting us get on with it, you're not a teacher setting us a subject and then saying 'discuss' it's a forum, so don't just copy & post, comment.

Fair point. I do normally put a comment before any articles but work got in the way on this occasion.

[tweetiepooh]

I hope the peers do have input to the debate. The fact they don't have to worry about reelection or popularity means they "CAN" (emphasise "CAN") provide input and insight that those elected may be more reluctant to bring up.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

I hope the peers do have input to the debate. The fact they don't have to worry about reelection or popularity means they "CAN" (emphasise "CAN") provide input and insight that those elected may be more reluctant to bring up.

With Corbyn dead behind the wheel, we strongly need some independent oversight on the process.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

I hope the peers do have input to the debate. The fact they don't have to worry about reelection or popularity means they "CAN" (emphasise "CAN") provide input and insight that those elected may be more reluctant to bring up.

As I posted above many peers are beholden to the EU for income and their pensions. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

With Corbyn dead behind the wheel, we strongly need some independent oversight on the process.

and you honestly think that the peers are the people for the job?