Mind The Pay Gap? Tube Drivers 'To Get £55k'

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This might cause problems, but l am in agreement with the tube strike, They are working a bank holiday and therefore entitled to what ever payment there should be.

They want triple pay plus a day off in lieu. I don't see why they should be entitled to that, especially considering what the already earn and what they already have.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This does cause disruption to passengers, but LU are at fault for not talking to them, and don't forget when LU put prices up for travel, does anyone complain.

I think the drivers and unions are at fault. Tube drivers already have what many consider to be an obscenely high salary, and yet they want even more money *and* a day off in lieu if they have to work a bank holiday.

People do complain when prices are put up.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This is what annoys me, businesses put prices up but my wages have been frozen for two years.

Perhaps you should consider becoming a Tube driver then, Arthur. You'll get a massive salary, loads of holiday, and get to hold London to ransom.

Originally Posted by Russ

Triple pay and a day off in lieu is a total urine-extraction. Replace the strikers with people who would be willing to do the job for a more reasonable rate. No sympathy from me.

No sympathy from me either.

The sooner the London Underground moves to fully automatic driverless trains the better IMO.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

doesnt make it ok to not pay extra for working bank holidays just because not every company does that.

I have worked for a company before where overtime not only was not paid extra but was compulsary, I have never seenn so many unhappy workers in one place and there is no doubt productivity was effected by work morale there.

Maybe not but the tube drivers already get paid extra they just want more ,totally out of proportion to the job skill .Whilst i take on board your point about others not getting extra you have to consider that most employers have flexi time where days of in the week are common place in return for working weekends and bank holidays

The recently agreed pay deal for tube drivers includes rotas/shifts, which include bank holiday working.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-four-years.do




http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-loss-fears.do

Whatever Bob Crow thinks there will be driverless trains on the LU before much longer and the more he pushes for out of proportion pay rises the faster it will happen

They will still need to be staffed!

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You know what, you are falling into the right-wingers trap, if we all have stong unions then we we will have the benifits of Tube Drivers, go and john a union and get striking!!!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

They will still need to be staffed!

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You know what, you are falling into the right-wingers trap, if we all have stong unions then we we will have the benifits of Tube Drivers, go and john a union and get striking!!!

Yes, because it worked so well last time ...

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yes, because it worked so well last time ...

That was caused manily by high inflation which was caused by high oil prices!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Oh, right. So as long as there's not an excessively high oil price, unsustainable pay demands are ok. That makes sense.

Go right ahead, by the way. The frothing loony left were the best advertisement possible for the medicine of Thatcherism in 1979. With any luck there will be just as much short-sighted activism over the next 3 years to guarantee us a 100% Tory government in 2015.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

They will still need to be staffed!

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You know what, you are falling into the right-wingers trap, if we all have stong unions then we we will have the benifits of Tube Drivers, go and john a union and get striking!!!

By advocating union militancy you are indeed falling into the right-wingers' trap. Blatantly politically motivated or totally unreasonable strikes simply strengthen public support for stronger legislation, which isn't really required but could do with being tidied up.

One really big part that could do with tidying up is the ability by unions to toss previous agreements out of the window and strike to change them.

You also forgot that to get striking requires a fairly closed shop or a certain barrier to being replaced which for many doesn't exist. People who strike themselves stupid simply make themselves unemployed, either through forcing their employer to fold or to downsize and make them redundant.

The alternative is of course that people do indeed get their pay rises, and the costs of everything go up to cover those pay rises, then people demand more pay rises to cover the cost of their wage inflation, etc, etc.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

They will still need to be staffed!

By people far more easily replaced than tube drivers. Excellent news for everyone bar the tube drivers, and given there are not many of them and millions of people they inconvenience and businesses they cost millions every time they strike you'll have to forgive me for not caring less about their fate. They've made the rod for their own backs with their wage demands which have made the numbers for replacing them with automatic systems add up all the more quickly.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

They will still need to be staffed!

Yes, but by "train attendants", rather than by people who "earn" more than £50k per year.


If there is a move towards driverless trains, the drivers and the unions have only themselves to blame, due to their repeated striking and demanding outrageous wages and so on.

Sounds like my plan of retraining as a tube driver is a no go...

Mind...... the gap.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Chris

Oh, right. So as long as there's not an excessively high oil price, unsustainable pay demands are ok. That makes sense.

Go right ahead, by the way. The frothing loony left were the best advertisement possible for the medicine of Thatcherism in 1979. With any luck there will be just as much short-sighted activism over the next 3 years to guarantee us a 100% Tory government in 2015.

Do you mean Ms Thatcher the PM, the one who finished the job (stated since 1945) of killing British Industry, Sending the all but the home counties to the dole, increased unemployment, aidied the Rise of Murdoch, Made bus and Rail serives worse and with the help of other right wingers (around the world in the 80s) create a economic system the enriched the 1% and cause recessions in the early 80s, late 80s/early 90s, Early 2000s and late 2000s (not help by the fact the governments both left and right wing who kept this failed system going), along with destroying opportunities for all but the very richest!

If there is one thing good about her is that she is a strong leader (unlike Major and Cameron)!

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

By advocating union militancy you are indeed falling into the right-wingers' trap. Blatantly politically motivated or totally unreasonable strikes simply strengthen public support for stronger legislation, which isn't really required but could do with being tidied up.

One really big part that could do with tidying up is the ability by unions to toss previous agreements out of the window and strike to change them.

You also forgot that to get striking requires a fairly closed shop or a certain barrier to being replaced which for many doesn't exist. People who strike themselves stupid simply make themselves unemployed, either through forcing their employer to fold or to downsize and make them redundant.

The alternative is of course that people do indeed get their pay rises, and the costs of everything go up to cover those pay rises, then people demand more pay rises to cover the cost of their wage inflation, etc, etc.

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By people far more easily replaced than tube drivers. Excellent news for everyone bar the tube drivers, and given there are not many of them and millions of people they inconvenience and businesses they cost millions every time they strike you'll have to forgive me for not caring less about their fate. They've made the rod for their own backs with their wage demands which have made the numbers for replacing them with automatic systems add up all the more quickly.

I would disagree with you point about automatic trains, for example the Trains on the Victoria Line, Central Line, Jubilee Line have Automatic train operation and if there is one person on board, like on the DLR, as long as they are Unionised, they can (and they have) still strike

Also we need to change unions laws in favor of the workers and unions

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Now you are just being stupid!

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Now you are just being stupid!

Says the person who blames the latest economic woes on a leader who hasn't been in power for almost 20 years.

I'm no expert but I think there were recessions before 1980.