Mind The Pay Gap? Tube Drivers 'To Get £55k'

Well if the bosses are prepared to pay such silly money up until now then maybe they should be removed from running the transport of London?

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

What you going to say in 12-24 months time if the LU decide that the drivers wages are unsustainable and decide to automate the trains (which is very possible)putting all the drivers out of a job ...how strong will the union be then .If you look back over union history ,all have failed to keep members jobs if a alternative is available to the management .What makes you think this will be any different .In my opinion the tube drivers will eventually price themselves out of a job

What will replace tube drivers then?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

What will replace tube drivers then?

The automated systems that drive trains on 3 of the lines already. Drivers just open and close the doors.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The automated systems that drive trains on 3 of the lines already. Drivers just open and close the doors.

You still need someone inside the train, like in the DLR, and if they go on strike then the train cannot run, we will have the same stuation as we have now

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

You still need someone inside the train, like in the DLR, and if they go on strike then the train cannot run, we will have the same stuation as we have now

No we won't because they won't be on 55k a year for unskilled work

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Google up "driverless metro" there are any number of them running now and there are NO staff of any kind on the actual trains. Singapore one there is just one guy and a computer system running the entire show including the doors.

Mind you I would like to see his pay packet.

There are very few people who are irreplacable if they become too expensive to employ.

Too expensive and all too willing to hold those who pay their wages (i.e. the travelling public) to ransom whenever it suits.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Nationalise everything and charge everyone 110% tax rates.

It's the only way forward....

Originally Posted by Will21st

It's the only way forward....

But wouldn't people then strike to get a pay rise, to pay the tax they couldn't afford?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well if the bosses are prepared to pay such silly money up until now then maybe they should be removed from running the transport of London?

Fair point,But another point i have not seen mentioned although it may have been is before he won the election and came to power in London Boris Johnson was touting a no strike agreement he was going to get from the tube unions,will be interesting to see if Boris brings that up in next years mayoral election like last time.

The tube unions appear to be getting very good rises over the next few years and not a single "no strike" agreement in site.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

No we won't because they won't be on 55k a year for unskilled work

With strong unions liek the RMT and ASLEF i doubt that

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Google up "driverless metro" there are any number of them running now and there are NO staff of any kind on the actual trains. Singapore one there is just one guy and a computer system running the entire show including the doors.

Mind you I would like to see his pay packet.

There are very few people who are irreplacable if they become too expensive to employ.

under UK law you need one person on the train, in the first place!

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But wouldn't people then strike to get a pay rise, to pay the tax they couldn't afford?

Exactly! (You know I was kiddin',don't you?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

With strong unions liek the RMT and ASLEF i doubt that

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Driverless Tube trains could be running in a trial by 2015 - three years sooner than expected, confidential London Underground documents reveal today.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-four-years.do

It reveals bosses are considering trains that are fully automatic and staffed by an attendant instead of a driver under the biggest overhaul ever of the Tube.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-loss-fears.do

Whatever Bob Crow thinks there will be driverless trains on the LU before much longer and the more he pushes for out of proportion pay rises the faster it will happen

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Chris

Good. In that case I look forward to you providing the evidence, as opposed to anecdote and hearsay.



That depends. But broadly, if it's a choice between properly-researched journalism and the ONS on one hand, and your soapbox on the other, let's jut say I wouldn't consider taking your word over theirs to be the optimum choice.

I posted the evidence, in my every day living costs.

Its enough for me. If you dont want to believe it then I leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I posted the evidence, in my every day living costs.

Its enough for me. If you dont want to believe it then I leave it at that.

Your personal living costs are, for the purposes of any meaningful debate, unsubstantiated and not open to scrutiny. They don't qualify as evidence in any meaningful sense and therefore I take the perfectly justifiable option of ignoring them.

You hang around Internet forums enough to know what qualifies as evidence in any public debate. If you choose not to back up your contributions with such evidence you can't be surprised if those contributions are dismissed or simply ignored.

[Chrysalis]

I know enough on this forum yes.

to you if someone posts the bbcs or any other media outlet point of view that qualifies as fact.