Post-Brexit Thread

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I wasn't sure if this sentence was lifted from a USSR KGB manual or not!

Isn't a candidate selected and financed by a party meant to tow the party line?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Isn't a candidate selected and financed by a party meant to tow the party line?

6 political conviction

Box 1: The Parliamentary Assessment Board Framework
Tasks Competencies
1. Competency interview 1. Communication skills
2. Public Speaking 2. Intellectual skills
3. In Tray exercise 3. Relating to people
4. Group Exercise 4. Leading and motivating
5. Psychometric test 5. Resilience and drive
(later changed to a written essay) 6. Political Conviction
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and then there's this
Whips are the party's "enforcers", who typically offer inducements and threaten party members to ensure that they participate according to the official party policy. A whip's role is also to ensure that the elected representatives of their party are in attendance when important votes are taken.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

is this any help -its long and boring enjoy

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...y%20People.pdf

Before aspirants can sit the PAB they must attend an informal meeting with either a member of the
party field staff or a senior party volunteer. They must also complete and return to CCHQ
candidates department an application form, requiring three references. We were told that
candidates who are not approved at this stage are given feedback and advice about the steps they
should take to gain the relevant skills and experiences necessary to pass the PAB in future. The
possibility remains, however, that this preliminary stage could be used as a pretext to block
candidates for reasons other than a lack of appropriate skills.
Box 1: The Parliamentary Assessment Board Framework
Tasks Competencies
1. Competency interview 1. Communication skills
2. Public Speaking 2. Intellectual skills
3. In Tray exercise 3. Relating to people
4. Group Exercise 4. Leading and motivating
5. Psychometric test 5. Resilience and drive
(later changed to a written essay) 6. Political Conviction

Political conviction doesn't mean that the candidate follows every line from Party HQ. Indeed, Wiipedia goes as far to state that conviction politics is the practice of campaigning based on a politician's own fundamental values or ideas rather than attempting to represent an existing consensus or simply take positions that are popular in polls.
But the thing that jumps out from the list is - how did Jeremy Corbyn get through points 3 & 4?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

6 political conviction

Whips are the party's "enforcers", who typically offer inducements and threaten party members to ensure that they participate according to the official party policy.

Of course if you'd been to a public school, as so many of our MPs have, then you'd be familiar with the whips other role.





(Sceen from If... 1968)

whips.jpg

32% at the last election...

Originally Posted by martyh

My point is that you want to force a viewpoint on people so they can only vote one particular way to give only one result .You simply cannot deselect serving mp's because they refuse to think the way you want them to think on one particular subject and then to name and shame them for having the same viewpoint as a very large portion of the country

Actually you can, it has and will always go on.

You don't have to like it, it's called democracy.

The local parties select the candidates based on their adherence to the national party's aims.

If you don't like it, start your own party and try to change the system

BTW it's not a "very large" portion of the country, the remoaners LOST the referendum in case you have forgotten.

To correct your error "to name and shame them for NOT SUPPORTING the viewpoint of the majority"

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OhReally

Actually you can, it has and will always go on.

You don't have to like it, it's called democracy.

The local parties select the candidates based on their adherence to the national party's aims.

If you don't like it, start your own party and try to change the system

BTW it's not a "very large" portion of the country, the remoaners LOST the referendum in case you have forgotten.

To correct your error "to name and shame them for NOT SUPPORTING the viewpoint of the majority"

Since when did 48% cease to be a large proportion? But that's a digression.

Political parties have long held dissenters in them. In the UK with few parties they're broad churches with a rich diversity of opinions. If it wasn't for the likes of John Redwood and Michael Gove whose views didn't reflect the previous party line then would there have been a Brexit win?

Originally Posted by OhReally

BTW it's not a "very large" portion of the country, the remoaners LOST the referendum in case you have forgotten.

It was 48.11% of voters ,that by anyones standard is a very large portion .

To correct your error "to name and shame them for NOT SUPPORTING the viewpoint of the majority"

This is where you prove you simply have no understanding what is happening .Nobody has tried to reverse the decision yet .Some people are hoping for a second referendum to confirm a very close result or even get a different result ,i don't personally agree with that but they do have the democratic right to want that ,nobody has to support the viewpoint of the majority,everybody has the freedom to think and speak how they see fit .How do you think we got to this stage in the first place ? the answer is because people campaigned against a referendum result .

[heero_yuy]

A MAJORITY of Brits now want a speedy Brexit – as it also emerges Theresa May faces an even harder fight for a good walk out deal from the EU.

An ICM poll to mark the six month anniversary of the landmark referendum today found 54% want the PM to implement the result as soon as possible.

And just one in five voters – 20% – disagreed.

The number in favour of a quick EU departure includes a quarter of all Remain voters, in a sign the country is finally beginning to unify around the huge decision.

Linky

I know we should be wary of polls but it looks like Brexit is gaining further favour with the public.

[Osem]

I think people are getting mightily fed up with all the delays, challenges etc. but it seems to me this was all inevitable. Our glorious leaders have entwined us in so much complex (and all to often competing) regulation that it takes ever increasing amounts of time to do just about anything significant now. The EU certainly isn't renowned for its speed of reaction either as we've seen time and time again so expecting a speedy resolution to this process is totally unrealistic IMHO. It's not as though the rest of the EU is stable and singing from the same hymn sheet either so we have a situation whereby we're trying to negotiate a highly complicated process with a group of nations all of whom have their own problems, agendas and priorities and will be using their influence in order to get whatever concessions etc. they're seeking for their own nations. Quid pro quo...

[Mr K]

Whenever Brexit finally happens (if it does), its going to be a shock to many that the EU wasn't the cause of all our problems. Who will they blame next, the bureaucrats in Whitehall (instead of Brussels) ? Immigrants (again) ? Corbyn ? Cameron ? May ? Benefit scroungers ? The Scottish/Welsh/etc etc ? The Daily Fail will find someone to pin it on.

[denphone]

If it does???? as of course it will happen Mr K.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

If it does???? as of course it will happen Mr K.

Probably Den but it's not a given. The Courts and Parliament yet, and the possibility it'll be all but watered down to mean we're still in the EU all but name. A sort of aqua-marine Brexit

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Probably Den but it's not a given. The Courts and Parliament yet, and the possibility it'll be all but watered down to mean we're still in the EU all but name. A sort of aqua-marine Brexit

I think our Theresa is ahead of the game, actually!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Probably Den but it's not a given. The Courts and Parliament yet, and the possibility it'll be all but watered down to mean we're still in the EU all but name. A sort of aqua-marine Brexit

that idea won't float