Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by papa smurf

no its
Remain moaners starting to actively DAMAGE UK economy with lies and fear-mongering

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/743...ot-court-cases

The fact that you believe that rubbish speaks volumes about you ,i've just read that article and it simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever

Like this bit for instance

Both Miller and Maugham are accused of "actively trying to overturn the referendum result" with their cases suggesting Theresa May does not have the right to trigger Article 50 to begin proceedings to break from Europe.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by denphone

You need to stop believing everything you read papa.

You'd better have a read of this den then decide if remainers are attempting to do what the Express has published, not that I like the rag.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)577971_EN.pdf

The Irish courts can't do a thing as it would mean a change to the Treaty of Lisbon.

This part is is significant enough to note.

Relevant international law provisions cannot be applied
in parallel to Article 50 TEU Rather, the procedure and consequences of a withdrawal from the EU are now governed by EU law and no recourse to international law is possible.

That corrupt Euro club considers itself above International Law. Isn't that what the Nazis did?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

The fact that you believe that rubbish speaks volumes about you ,i've just read that article and it simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever

Like this bit for instance

how is it my fault you don't understand what your reading

and might i add in polite society it is considered rude to shoot the messenger.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You'd better have a read of this den then decide if remainers are attempting to do what the Express has published, not that I like the rag.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)577971_EN.pdf

The Irish courts can't do a thing as it would mean a change to the Treaty of Lisbon.

This part is is significant enough to note.



That corrupt Euro club considers itself above International Law. Isn't that what the Nazis did?

Personally pip l think the vast majority of remainers have accepted the result and just want the Government to negotiate a fair and reasonable deal that the country will be happy with as the problem with vast parts of the British media is they exaggerate nearly everything and make a lot of stuff up instead of coming out with rational and intelligent constructive pieces of journalism which sadly is becoming increasingly rare IMO.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

how is it my fault you don't understand what your reading

and might i add in polite society it is considered rude to shoot the messenger.

If you don't want shooting stop posting rubbish like that ,your giving Brexit a bad name

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by denphone

Personally pip l think the vast majority of remainers have accepted the result and just want the Government to negotiate a fair and reasonable deal that the country will be happy with as the problem with vast parts of the British media is they exaggerate nearly everything and make a lot of stuff up instead of coming out with rational and intelligent constructive pieces of journalism which sadly is becoming increasingly rare IMO.

If that is the case then why do these court challenges keep popping up?

OK parliament will now get a vote on A50 as that's the way the Supreme court is heading.

Why involve the Irish Courts ffs??

I posted a link to it acouple of days ago and there was no comment, suddenly because it appears in the Express and someone posted that here you are.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

If that is the case then why do these court challenges keep popping up?

OK parliament will now get a vote on A50 as that's the way the Supreme court is heading.

Why involve the Irish Courts ffs??

I posted a link to it acouple of days ago and there was no comment, suddenly because it appears in the Express and someone posted that here you are.

Personally l think the court challenges are a total utter waste of time but l do believe parliament should get the vote on triggering A50 as it should have been that way to start with.

Originally Posted by pip08456

If that is the case then why do these court challenges keep popping up?

OK parliament will now get a vote on A50 as that's the way the Supreme court is heading.

Why involve the Irish Courts ffs??

I posted a link to it acouple of days ago and there was no comment, suddenly because it appears in the Express and someone posted that here you are.

The Express has printed outright lies in a bid to scare people into thinking that Brexit will be overturned when in fact neither case is trying to overturn the vote .
The biggest problem is that people like Papa are soaking it all up like a sponge and spreading that crap around

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Why involve the Irish Courts ffs??

He has had to go through the Irish courts because UK judges have made every effort to keep the article 50 appeal out of the hands of European judges.

The case in Dublin will be brought against the Irish state, the EU council and the European commission. It is likely to be brought in the name of MEPs

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016...ess-article-50

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by martyh

The Express has printed outright lies in a bid to scare people into thinking that Brexit will be overturned when in fact neither case is trying to overturn the vote .
The biggest problem is that people like Papa are soaking it all up like a sponge and spreading that crap around

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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016...ess-article-50

I don't know why you posted that link for me, I read the article 5 days ago and posted the self same link in this tread 5 days ago.

However let's discuss the article and the court case.

It's looking for crowdfunding for a case

The case in Dublin will be brought against the Irish state, the EU council and the European commission. It is likely to be brought in the name of MEPs.

(my bold)

On what basis?

The claimants will argue that they suffer a prospective deprivation of their rights associated with these breaches and that to resolve these disputes it will be necessary to refer these questions to the court of justice of the European Union.

(again my bold).

What possible right do MEP's have in regard to a democratic decision made by the country which the Government is attempting to implement?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by martyh

The Express has printed outright lies in a bid to scare people into thinking that Brexit will be overturned when in fact neither case is trying to overturn the vote .
The biggest problem is that people like Papa are soaking it all up like a sponge and spreading that crap around

These papers as well as alt-right sites like Briebart have long since gone from interpreting the news to making up their own reality. Don't forget, these media outlets posted their own outright lies to try and scare & convince people to Leave.

The post-truth era is well and truly here. Make up a story, pitch it to elicit an emotional response and claim it as the "truth" .. and when anyone questions this "truth", reply with childish name calling.

Meanwhile, reality sails on by.

This reality includes trying to resolve a crisis created by the referendum. The solution involves the whole country working together in the interests of the whole country. Yes, these interests do include the 63% of the electorate who did not vote to Leave.

It is the "Leave at any cost" zealots that pose the real risk to this country's future prosperity. These are the ones that need watching.

The Government's duty to is to get the best deal for the country and if this means Leaving the EU on terms that do not match the alt-right post-truth holy grail then ... tough.

I would rather live in a country determined by common sense and good Governance than one guided by zealous dogma.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

These papers as well as alt-right sites like Briebart have long since gone from interpreting the news to making up their own reality. Don't forget, these media outlets posted their own outright lies to try and scare & convince people to Leave.

The post-truth era is well and truly here. Make up a story, pitch it to elicit an emotional response and claim it as the "truth" .. and when anyone questions this "truth", reply with childish name calling.

Meanwhile, reality sails on by.

This reality includes trying to resolve a crisis created by the referendum. The solution involves the whole country working together in the interests of the whole country. Yes, these interests do include the 63% of the electorate who did not vote to Leave.





It is the "Leave at any cost" zealots that pose the real risk to this country's future prosperity. These are the ones that need watching.

The Government's duty to is to get the best deal for the country and if this means Leaving the EU on terms that do not match the alt-right post-truth holy grail then ... tough.

I would rather live in a country determined by common sense and good Governance than one guided by zealous dogma.

I'll trump your 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave with 79.7% who did not vote to remain.

Try and argue your way out of that one! Please prove my figure wrong as it is based on the same calculation you made for yours.

This is the result that matters not ficticious figures pulled out of the air. (see attatched image)

All media be it right, centre or left leaning have long since given up reporting events they all now make stuff up and misrepresent things to suit their own position and agenda. You can nearly feel your IQ dropping reading some of our so called newspapers that's why i stopped buying them over ten years ago.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by martyh

The Express has printed outright lies in a bid to scare people into thinking that Brexit will be overturned when in fact neither case is trying to overturn the vote .
The biggest problem is that people like Papa are soaking it all up like a sponge and spreading that crap around

It's sad that people who are gullible enough to believe the Express then go on to perpetuate the paper's attempts to divide the country along the lines of a vote that happened some six months ago - in the paper's squalid attempt to gain more readers.
Wake up Daily Express; we've all moved on! The country has accepted that it's leaving the EU. The fact that the big world outside the Express bubble understands that the Article 50 challenge is about the process of leaving the EU and is not about the decision itself speaks volumes.

Originally Posted by pip08456

I don't know why you posted that link for me, I read the article 5 days ago and posted the self same link in this tread 5 days ago.

However let's discuss the article and the court case.

I posted the link to show where i got the quote that answered your question of why it was going through the Irish courts .

What possible right do MEP's have in regard to a democratic decision made by the country which the Government is attempting to implement?

They are seeking clarification of law "is A50 irrevocable once invoked " nothing whatsoever to do with the democratic decision the government is trying to implement ,incidentally if A50 is revocable then it means the government can press ahead with no need to go through Parliament.

It's looking for crowdfunding for a case
(my bold)

On what basis?

(again my bold).

It matters hugely and has massive consequences ,especially if A50 is deemed to have already been invoked which is the other part of the case .

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Originally Posted by ianch99

These papers as well as alt-right sites like Briebart have long since gone from interpreting the news to making up their own reality. Don't forget, these media outlets posted their own outright lies to try and scare & convince people to Leave.

The post-truth era is well and truly here. Make up a story, pitch it to elicit an emotional response and claim it as the "truth" .. and when anyone questions this "truth", reply with childish name calling.

Meanwhile, reality sails on by.

This reality includes trying to resolve a crisis created by the referendum. The solution involves the whole country working together in the interests of the whole country. Yes, these interests do include the 63% of the electorate who did not vote to Leave.

It is the "Leave at any cost" zealots that pose the real risk to this country's future prosperity. These are the ones that need watching.

The Government's duty to is to get the best deal for the country and if this means Leaving the EU on terms that do not match the alt-right post-truth holy grail then ... tough.

I would rather live in a country determined by common sense and good Governance than one guided by zealous dogma.

Excellent post .

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I'll trump your 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave with 79.7% who did not vote to remain.

Try and argue your way out of that one! Please prove my figure wrong as it is based on the same calculation you made for yours.

This is the result that matters not ficticious figures pulled out of the air. (see attatched image)

If your going down the route of including non voters in a decision then we may as well start including newly qualified voters by the time A50 is invoked or removing deceased voters from the result .The referendum result was simply a snapshot of public feeling at the time ,it's very possible that by March next year the result would be different .The fact remains though that we are leaving the EU based on a decision made by the electorate in june 2016 but not enacted on until March (or later) of 2017

[1andrew1]

This warning was made back in October. I'm hoping things will improve between now and March 2019, but nonetheless it's quite harsh.

Brexit trade deal could take 10 years, says UK's ambassador
"A post-Brexit UK-EU trade deal might take 10 years to finalise and still fail, Britain's ambassador to the EU has privately told the government.
The BBC understands Sir Ivan Rogers warned ministers that the European consensus was that a deal might not be done until the early to mid-2020s.
He also cautioned that an agreement could be rejected ultimately by other EU members' national parliaments."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38324146

As others have said

Originally Posted by papa smurf

...in polite society it is considered rude to shoot the messenger.

Meanwhile, it's not just the UK Government side that's divided on Brexit:

Brexit turf war breaks out between branches of EU
"MEPs were furious after the Financial Times reported a draft text that nominated the European Commission as the union’s lead negotiator in talks, but gave MEPs no seat at the negotiating table or in key preparatory meetings.
In a shot across the bows of member states, the parliament warned that it may block a deal or indeed open a second track of direct negotiations with London — a nightmare scenario for the EU-27."
https://www.ft.com/content/17f50d7a-...a-2b93a6856354 or Google "Brexit turf war breaks out between branches of EU"