[MERGED] Poll: Same Sex civil marriages, yes or no.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I have been a bit harsh, but I feel that based religious fact that the claim "being gay is a sin" and "god hates gays" and "god is against gay marriage" is not as clear cut as that!

There is nothing in the bible to back any of those assertions up. Regardless of anyone's religious or atheist backgrounds, prejudice against same-sex marriage will always be in the minds of some.

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Threads merged as the topics are clearly linked.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Russ

There is nothing in the bible to back any of those assertions up. Regardless of anyone's religious or atheist backgrounds, prejudice against same-sex marriage will always be in the minds of some.

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Threads merged as the topics are clearly linked.

But most clearly agree with it, which is a good thing!

What thread has been merged?

[iFrankie]

I understand where the religious community are coming from and also the gay community, gays are staying and civil marriage will happen just the same as the religious community will stay, there must be a way for these two groups to get a long. Im not sure if it is about getting along but something else.

If thats off topic sorry.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

There's no problem regarding church services as there's always been priests who are willing to perform a marriage style service even for civil unions... But as with any marriage it's not legal until you've signed the civil marriage register and that's what currently separates current and same sex marriages..

Yes and with all the problems in this world I DONT THINK THIS IS A BIG DEAL!!

Love is better than HATE which there is too much of!!

Yup - in a rush, on an iPad.

Will delete.

[Kymmy]

I agree with the deletion message ...... Now where can I hide

Just been listening to Nick Ferrari's show on LBC radio apparently the European Court have ruled that same sex Civil marriages are not a human right.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...an-ruling.html

We're going to be ahead of the curve then

Originally Posted by Damien

We're going to be ahead of the curve then

It makes me wonder thats all Lyn Featherstone was on the Radio last week saying if the government legislated for Gay Marriage the church would not be forced to coduct them,but if the legislation is bought in it will be illegal for chruches to refuse under this European ruling,so effectively Lyn Featherstones promise is worthless.

I wonder if the government will get cold feet.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by richard1960

It makes me wonder thats all Lyn Feathersone was on the Radio last week saying if the government legislated for Gay Marriage the church would not be forced to coduct them,but if the legislation is bought in it will be illegal for chruches to refuse under this European ruling,so effectively Lyn Featherstones promise is worthless.

I wonder if the government will get cold feet.

Why would it be illegal for churches to refuse to wed gay couples under this ruling if the ruling says it's not a human right? confused:

Originally Posted by danielf

Why would it be illegal for churches to refuse to wed gay couples under this ruling if the ruling says it's not a human right? confused:

Because if you read the links i provided to the newspaper articles the judges have ruled that although Gay Marriage is not a human right if any government does leglislate for it it will be illegal for the church to refuse to marry a Gay couple under equality rules,ie there would be no opt out for churches as Lyn Featherstone has claimed.

[Kymmy]

If a civil marriage and a religious marriage was the same then yes it would be illegal... but a church marriage is sufficiently different as to provide the opt-out clause.

The ruling will specifically allow civil marriages which in the legal context is only the very last part of a religious marriage (e.g..signing of the register)

Originally Posted by Kymmy

If a civil marriage and a religious marriage was the same then yes it would be illegal... but a church marriage is sufficiently different as to provide the opt-out clause.

The ruling will specifically allow civil marriages which in the legal context is only the very last part of a religious marriage (e.g..signing of the register)

I smell a lot of lawyers fees coming up on this one.

Although the points you make could well be right, somebody would want to test the theoery certainly if churches or religeous premises are marrying opposite sex couples i can see it being claimed that not offering that service to same sex couples could be deemed to be unequal.

Therfore illegal.


Judges also said that if same-sex unions became lawful, any church that refuses to marry gay couples could be charged with discrimination.

[Kymmy]

A religious marriage though is not legally a marriage.. It's only the signing of the civil register at the end that makes it legally binding.. So I think that the churches would win their case..

As I said though a couple of times in this thread there's enough gay friendly churches out there to get past any restrictions that the synods put on their individual faiths

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Originally Posted by richard1960

Judges also said that if same-sex unions became lawful, any church that refuses to marry gay couples could be charged with discrimination.

All churches have to do at that point is to further separate their religious ceremonies and civil ceremonies thus allowing marriage within the church at a civil level but restricting the religious side.. Remember that a civil marriage isn't a marriage under the eyes of god so I doubt if they'd be any qualms about that if forced into that situation.

[Dude111]

I think Churches should FORGET WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!!!!! (Who knows if and how accurate it is)

Why is everyone so willing to BLINDLY listen to whats written in this book w/o any proof of WHO REALLY WROTE IT?

Regardless: It doesnt say anywhere in the bible that jesus said man cannot love another man. IT SAYS MAN SHOULDNT HAVE SEX WITH ANOTHER MAN (Meaning the human animal (ANYONE (Even man/woman))) I think anyway!


If ya wanna go by the BIBLE,everyone is having incest EVERYDAY!! (As according to it,we are all related)