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**Damien** · 17-10-2016, 20:01

My Virgin Media has been up and down for weeks. I don't think it's a international conspiracy.

**Mick** · 17-10-2016, 20:15

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My Virgin Media has been up and down for weeks. I don't think it's a international conspiracy.

Quite right but 33,000 missing emails belonging to HC, is, if Wikileaks have them.

**Damien** · 17-10-2016, 20:49

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Quite right but 33,000 missing emails belonging to HC, is, if Wikileaks have them.

Wikileaks have always made a point that they put it in other places ready for revelation. Stopping his internet access wouldn't stop their release. He wasn't the person who hacked them so someone else would also have access and finally they're not the state department e-mails but campaign e-mails from her campaign manager.

He has been releasing them for weeks. He has been promising to release the 'big' thing for months now. Before the summer. Maybe he doesn't have anything.

**Maggy** · 17-10-2016, 20:50

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Anyway if Assange wants internet I am sure there is a Starbucks not too far, he should pop down.

**Damien** · 17-10-2016, 20:51

RBS are now saying they've never issued it. That RT's letter is one they sent to a supplier of RT: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...unts-1-4260808

**Mick** · 17-10-2016, 21:28

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Wikileaks have always made a point that they put it in other places ready for revelation. Stopping his internet access wouldn't stop their release.* He wasn't the person who hacked them so someone else would also have access and finally they're not the state department e-mails but campaign e-mails from her campaign manager.

He has been releasing them for weeks. He has been promising to release the 'big' thing for months now. Before the summer. Maybe he doesn't have anything.

* You're not telling me something I don't already know Damien.

I would not call their revelations they have released so far nothing, each one of them they have released makes her unfit to run for President but she was unfit before their revelations but here are just a few of them....

I would also not call the HC rigging the debates with Bernie Sanders nothing either. She was given the questions and the answers before the debates with him.

The so called paid for speeches with Goldman Sachs. This is not nothing which leads me on to the next one...

....Clinton has very different positions between public and private views on Wall Street reform.

Qatar, giving $1 Million to BC for his birthday, in return for special favors. Raises serious ethical issues regarding Clinton Foundation.

There has been many more revelations Damien, I am sure you can look them up, but don't let this put a dent in those rose tinted specs you have regarding HC, quite frankly you're as bad as the US mainstream media with your ignorance.

**Damien** · 17-10-2016, 22:01

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There has been many more revelations Damien, I am sure you can look them up, but don't let this put a dent in those rose tinted specs you have regarding HC, quite frankly you're as bad as the US mainstream media with your ignorance.

I think it's unfair to call me ignorant. In another thread you refused to read links that were given to you to rebut some of the arguments you made but I didn't respond in such a fashion.

Anyway, the mainstream media has been covering the e-mails.

Here is a live blog of them from Politico: http://www.politico.com/live-blog-up...kileaks-000011

Here is the NYTimes reporting on one of her bank speeches where she said she would support covert action in Syria if it yielded results: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us...ipt-shows.html

Here is the story, again from NYTimes, about the Qatari donation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us...oundation.html

Here is the story, from CNN, about the town halls questions being 'leaked':
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/11/medi...eaks-question/
and the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.8f799a2847cb

These were not hidden stories. They've been covered by the 'mainsteam media' and I've read them because they're not hard to miss. Just because some website says they're not being covered doesn't mean it isn't true.

What is true is that the full e-mails do not match the headlines often given to them by Trump supporters.

Yes. Clinton seems to have been given at least one question in advance about the death penalty. It's bad and as the Washington Post says they shouldn't allow contributors associated with a campaign too close to the news production.

Yes Qatar offered $1 million for 5 minutes of Bill Clinton's time. Presumably to lobby for something. However it was for their foundation, not Clinton's personal bank account. We also have no idea if the offer was taken up. We do know however that Qatar are donators to the foundation anyway so this $1 million either came or didn't, but they would have donated elsewhere.

The biggest problem with the Foundation is the suggestion that donations were made in return for time with President Clinton. Which isn't going to cause a fuss. Or Hillary Clinton, which would. The latter would be worse.

All of these e-mails add up (so far) to Clinton being dodgy and political. She is open is lobbyists and politically calculating. It is however not going to be a surprise for anyone. I think it would have been a bigger deal had they not been released days after the video of Trump came out. You can thank our friend in the embassy for that. There is no smoking gun yet though, these are reaffirm what people don't like about Clinton but they don't have any big surprises or confirm some of the wilder theories.

However if that's what makes her unsuitable for office then, in addition to the Wikileaks e-mails, the mainstream media is a good source for looking at Trump as well. Since the Washington Post broke the story a while back that Trump used money from his charity to settle personal legal cases. That would actually be illegal. Why does that not disqualify 'crooked' Donald Trump?

**Mick** · 17-10-2016, 22:29

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I think it's unfair to call me ignorant. In another thread you refused to read links that were given to you to rebut some of the arguments you made but I didn't respond in such a fashion.

Dead right I ignored irrelevant and a lot less than credible links, if we going to discuss fashions in how people tend to respond on here, you think just googling stuff and shoving it in my face makes it credible and worthy of a rebuttal ? Anyway, as for what makes HC unsuitable for office, I have covered this enough in that other thread you speak of, end of the day, I have already said DJT, is no angel, but HC is the devil compared to him.

**Damien** · 17-10-2016, 22:42

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Dead right I ignored irrelevant and a lot less than credible links, if we going to discuss fashions in how people tend to respond on here, you think just googling stuff and shoving it in my face makes it credible and worthy of a rebuttal ? Anyway, as for what makes HC unsuitable for office, I have covered this enough in that other thread you speak of, end of the day, I have already said DJT, is no angel, but HC is the devil compared to him.

I googled some of the stuff. I have been following the Politico Liveblog and the NYTimes though.

I just brought it up because you told me I was as ignorant as the mainstream media for the things you listed when I already knew about them because they were in the mainstream media.

**Mick** · 17-10-2016, 22:50

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I just brought it up because you told me I was as ignorant as the mainstream media for the things you listed when I already knew about them because they were in the mainstream media.

I only said that because it's how the way you put across that Wikileaks have yet to release the 'big one' and that they don't have anything and I am like thinking.... seriously ?

RichardCoulter · 17-10-2016, 23:53

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RBS are now saying they've never issued it. That RT's letter is one they sent to a supplier of RT: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...unts-1-4260808

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That Scotsman article was from 16:32, the BBC article which was last updated 2 hours ago is still saying the accounts are closed and also includes a quote from Natwest saying the decision wasn't taken lightly.

It will be interesting to find out what actually happened.

RichardCoulter · 27-10-2016, 19:20

Russia Today is currently off air and broadcasting a caption saying "scheduled maintenance GMT 9:00pm-7:00am" along with some music.

**Damien** · 27-10-2016, 19:37

IT'S WAR!!?!!?

RichardCoulter · 27-10-2016, 21:24

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IT'S WAR!!?!!?

I think something is afoot, it's highly unusual for a channel to go off air for hours due to "maintenance"!!

It's off air on satellite, not sure about VM Ireland & Freeview.

**Damien** · 27-10-2016, 21:27

Probably is down for that. If it had been pulled we would have heard of it by now. RT are nothing if not hysterical at the slightest chance of pointing out Western hypocrisy. They tried to make an international event out of having to change banks.