General : Traffic Management Changes - April 2nd

[philipp]

Originally Posted by pythagoras

This dosnt seem at all fair. I am paying exactly the same as 100Mb customers, being on xxl50, yet I can only download half the amount before I'm traffic managed, at that point I'll get 25mb speeds so a quarter of the 100mb peeps for the same price.

Surely this cant be correct? I'm only due to be doubled between oct and july 2013, so I'll be paying for a far inferior service for between 7 months and 15 months.

Regards

John

I agree with this. But the limit isn't bad itself. BUT they could have thought it out better for pre and post upgrade as we are paying the same.

[jimexbox]

Originally Posted by pythagoras

This dosnt seem at all fair. I am paying exactly the same as 100Mb customers, being on xxl50, yet I can only download half the amount before I'm traffic managed, at that point I'll get 25mb speeds so a quarter of the 100mb peeps for the same price.

Surely this cant be correct? I'm only due to be doubled between oct and july 2013, so I'll be paying for a far inferior service for between 7 months and 15 months.

Regards

John

My XL 30 to 60Mb upgrade wasn't due till April-July, I still (and did) upgrade to XXL 100Mb. Costs just a few quid more than 30Mb. Check to see if your area is 100Mb ready and ring customer services up, it will be a new 12month contact.

[General Maximus]

so let me get this straight, on 10mbit upload it is alright for me to upload 12gb, but on 100mbit down I can only download 10gb? That sounds backwards to me. 20gb down during the day is beyond poo. If it is alright to upload 12gb in the evening on 10mbit up(which I doubt any of us will ever do) then we should be able to download 120gb during the day on 100mbit down. You are talking about hitting the stm in 18 minutes and being screwed for the next 5 hours.

[pythagoras]

Originally Posted by jimexbox

My XL 30 to 60Mb upgrade wasn't due till April-July, I still (and did) upgrade to XXL 100Mb. Costs just a few quid more than 30Mb. Check to see if your area is 100Mb ready and ring customer services up, it will be a new 12month contact.

Im already paying the same as 100MB customers, but only getting a 50Mb service, with worse STM terms. Thats my point.

[broadbandking]

I can say I am happy with the new STM limits can't see my self downloading 20Gb in the day.

[crazyronnie]

I'm not surprised that your happy with the new STM. You work for VM after all.

[Chrysalis]

Ok so the issue remains really.

The downstream is too restrictive, 20gig on a 100mbit connection? I think I remember posting I thought 90gig would be reasonable.

The upstream on the other hand seems too generous based on what state the upstreams are in.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by crazyronnie

I'm not surprised that your happy with the new STM. You work for VM after all.

[Chrysalis]

were the old 30meg STM limits the same as the new one? cant remember.

[gaz2810i]

Where it says 5h STM for reaching the limit is that 5 hours from what ever time you reach it? i.e. If i reach the 20gb cap on the 100mb service at 14.55 will I then be capped till 8 O'clock? Also If I then meet the 10gb limit on the 50% speed, between 4 and 9, Lets say by 5 O'Clock will it then add another 5 hours onto my time, so I would get my full speed back till 1am the next morning

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Originally Posted by DaMac

Throwing my hat into the ring on the illegal downloading acusation.. South Korea's largest Internet Provider KT (which is considered to have the worlds most advanced and fastest broadband) is blocking Samsung smart TV's from it's network because of the incredible strain they are putting on it. Now how much illegal activity do you think is going on there? Answer is none.

I have a Samsung PS64D8000 smart TV, why are they using so much data.

[broadbandking]

Originally Posted by crazyronnie

I'm not surprised that your happy with the new STM. You work for VM after all.

Just because I work for VM doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do I have my own views and as I have no desire to download the internet then I am happy with STM limits, if I was unhappy with the new limits then I would have stated I don't agree with them.

I really don't see the need to download 20Gb everyday during the day unless it illegal, you can only install 1 linux distro at a time.

[Jelly]

Originally Posted by buckleb

The elephant in the room here is that these measure, whatever one thinks of them, would not be required if people stopped regarding copyright-theft as a basic human right.

Of course the ISPs, including Virginmedia, are themselves to blame for a lot of this emphasising the raw download speed, which can only really be of interest to those who live to download the internet each night.

These latest restrictions by Virginmedia are actually quite reasonable in my opinion, and won't really handicap anyone engaged in normal internet activity.

i used to think like you, then when i started getting my entertainment legitimately i realised i download more data than ever. now i have to take into account how many youtube videos i can watch or whether i want to download a patch. its cool and not stupid at all

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by crazyronnie

I'm not surprised that your happy with the new STM. You work for VM after all.

I work for them and i don't like the new limits, So whats your answer to that ?

Originally Posted by Jelly

i used to think like you, then when i started getting my entertainment legitimately i realised i download more data than ever. now i have to take into account how many youtube videos i can watch or whether i want to download a patch. its cool and not stupid at all

Indeed if you do any of these you will suffer

Stream video
Stream Music
Use Spotify
Download from Origin
Download from Steam
Stream from Iplayer
Stream from Netflixs
Stream from Lovefilms
Stream from ITV player
Upload to my FTP
Backup to Cloud including VM's own backup system that they give to every user who wants it.
Upload to my website
Play online gaming
Be a server for an online game
Voip calls
Stream tv to my Ipad when away from home


The list is longer and i am sure others could add to that

When you have a family who use the above ALL the time STM becomes the biggest pain in the arse of any ISP

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

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I really don't see the need to download 20Gb everyday during the day unless it illegal, you can only install 1 linux distro at a time.

I take it you dont have a big family doing any of these

Stream video
Stream Music
Use Spotify
Download from Origin
Download from Steam
Stream from Iplayer
Stream from Netflixs
Stream from Lovefilms
Stream from ITV player
Upload to my FTP
Backup to Cloud including VM's own backup system that they give to every user who wants it.
Upload to my website
Play online gaming
Be a server for an online game
Voip calls
Stream tv to my Ipad when away from home

Use Workaway

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by gaz2810i

Where it says 5h STM for reaching the limit is that 5 hours from what ever time you reach it? i.e. If i reach the 20gb cap on the 100mb service at 14.55 will I then be capped till 8 O'clock? Also If I then meet the 10gb limit on the 50% speed, between 4 and 9, Lets say by 5 O'Clock will it then add another 5 hours onto my time, so I would get my full speed back till 1am the next morning :confused

Yup, you are stm'd for 5 hours from when you hit so your downstream would be reduced by 50% for 5 hours taking you to 19:55 but this is independant of your upstream. If your upstream was chopped by 75% at 1700 for 5 hours (taking you to 2200) your downstream would still go back to 100% at 19:55

[Skie]

I do a lot of mapping in work, but the only way to actually get the maps from the OS into our office is for me to download them at home.

One set of tiles for the UK is 30GB. So I'll be STM'd once a month at least, yay