Huge fire at West London tower block

[Osem]

Originally Posted by pip08456

It is the heat which makes smoke rise. If a sprinkler system is active it cools the smoke and it drops down to floor level. Science 101.

I suggest you tell that to the London Fire Brigade safety officer I was paraphrasing. They were his words not mine, since I am not an expert in such matters.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Why should buildings only 22m high magically not be a problem. The fire spread not only upwards, but sideways across a floor.

I would guess it's due to ease of evacuation. A building that is 100 m wide by 10 m high * 10 m deep will have more room external fire exits than a building that is 10 m wide * 10 m deep * 100 m high.

The actual figure of 22m probably means nothing, and was likely only chosen because they had to set a limit purely so they could enforce it.

Members are reminded not to insult each other. There is no justification for it and we will not tolerate it under any circumstances.

[denphone]

Protesters enter Kensington town hall as tempers fray.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...latest-updates

[Onramp]

People need to forget political ideology here, stop bickering and find the INDIVIDUALS who were either neglegant or directly engaging in corrupt and selfish practices so that they can be dealt with by the full weight of the book of the law.

Originally Posted by Onramp

People need to forget political ideology here, stop bickering and find the INDIVIDUALS who were either neglegant or directly engaging in corrupt and selfish practices so that they can be dealt with by the full weight of the book of the law.

Well yes but it also can be that there were institutional failures here. Failures from the people who manage the property, failures from the council and failures from the government.

It isn't just that the building was allowed to be in that state, it's also that the residents warned repeatedly that this could happen and were ignored.

This should never have been allowed to happen. As well as prosecuting anyone who is found to be criminally negligent we need to go after the systems that allowed it.

The "protesters" are doing nothing except harming their cause.
They will quickly lose public sympathy if they start being violent.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul M

The "protesters" are doing nothing except harming their cause.
They will quickly lose public sympathy if they start being violent.

Thankfully its stopped but those with influence certainly need to start listening..

They are making completely unreasonable demands.

No one is going to give them answers "Now", and what do they even mean by "Justice" ?

The investigations have barely begun.

[adzii_nufc]

Don't think anyone really stops to think that the people you're demanding answers from dont actually have them themselves yet.

I've just watched a load on TV outside of Kensington Town hall holding anti tory plaques with back Corbyn at the bottom... I can't seriously be the only person annoyed at that regardless of who I voted for.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul M

They are making completely unreasonable demands.

No one is going to give them answers "Now", and what do they even mean by "Justice" ?

The investigations have barely begun.

Here's one question that can be answered now, how much of the 10 million recently spent on the building, if any was taken by the management company as profit

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Here's one question that can be answered now, how much of the 10 million recently spent on the building, if any was taken by the management company as profit

We're all rational and level headed here though. I doubt many of them would be researching such things for themselves. They should though. It's far harder to shut down decently prepared facts than it is to shut down your average protester.

I doubt the town hall can answer that, nor could anyone else I would think without trawling through lots of accounting. Even the figure 10 million varies from story to story.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Paul M

They are making completely unreasonable demands.

No one is going to give them answers "Now", and what do they even mean by "Justice" ?

The investigations have barely begun.

If they want real justice and answers then they have to wait for the process to happen and the facts to be ascertained, including the evidence to support or rule out legal action. There is all sorts of nonsense being bandied around now and some of our 'politicians' would do well to stop stirring matters up before another tragedy unfolds. Surely our emergency services have quite enough on their hands right now without having to deal with more trouble on the streets.

I've already heard people demanding prosecutions, jail terms, retribution etc. when at this stage we have no idea whether anything illegal or even negligent has happened.

[adzii_nufc]

Yeah this is a city that was in uproar when police shot a known bellend. Wouldn't expect them to remain calm when they genuinely have something to be angry about.