Muslim Waitress Sacked for Refusing to Wear Red Dress.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well we'll see..I have confidence on the good sense of the courts over this issue.

Don't forget these are the same courts that send a Fraudster to 11 years and a 5 years each to a gang that raped a 14 year old.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Don't forget these are the same courts that send a Fraudster to 11 years and a 5 years each to a gang that raped a 14 year old.

yep those darn fraudsters ( never could figure out why we put some one in jail for money reasons when it just costs us more to keep them there ( perhaps community service should be able to be given for years instead of hours till they pay it back ) )

though the tribunal system tends to be a little more lenient to employers most of the time but i think they may be on a looser with this one

[Arthurgray50@blu]

IF, we released some inmates from a prison, who should not be in there, that could do community services, half the prisons would be empty, it costs a staggering £1.500 per week per inmate, and we pay that.

Could you please stick to the topic.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

lol


but back to the point

what she wears other wise isn't the point if she doesn't feel comfortable in it in front of people that's up to her

i think the religion thing is not what she should have approached this from but in any case no one should be forced into doing anything they are not happy with

even under the old rules industrial tribunals worked under i think they would be on a loosing wicket

they have often upheld a right for an employer to ask staff to wear uniforms but only where they can show they required a similar standard for any men working there plus that what was being put forward to wear was what was normaly expected and that has been found on many occasions not to include short dresses

the only real way they could insist on this is if it was part of a contract at the very beginning of her contract and now even if they did that they would then have to show they were putting in place measures to protect their staff from any unwanted contact

lol though if they win i might order French maid outfits for the nursery staff they could look good with them playing on the floor with the kids while i sort the computers out

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what if this bar has primarily male customers and the idea is for staff to look attractive for who they serving? little point in making men wear revealing clothing then is there. Of course we dont know what any male staff have to wear there if there even is male bar staff there.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

So any male bar staff should be happy to wear it then?

if they not they dont work there simple as.

I think the argument against wearing it seems to be based on women been equal to men, in this case the women is been used as a tool to keep customers in the bar, there is nothing illegal in this. The other female bar staff have even said they have no problem with this.

If she is uncomfortable with the job then she dont work there. I dont see whats so complicated about it. You expect employers to change there policies based on an employee simply not feeling comfortable?

Its like all these silly stories I keep reading about chemist staff refusing to sell certian drugs, butchers refusing to handle meat etc.

Well in the present financial crisis I suspect whatever her reasons for objecting, more and more folk are going to to have to read the rules before taking on a job OR just lump it because a job is a job in a time of increasing unemployment.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

what if this bar has primarily male customers and the idea is for staff to look attractive for who they serving? little point in making men wear revealing clothing then is there. Of course we dont know what any male staff have to wear there if there even is male bar staff

there the idea fails if they admit its revealing clothing then she will win unless they are admitting it is more ofa lapdaning type club in which case she most likey would still win as they maintain it is just a bar

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

s.

I think the argument against wearing it seems to be based on women been equal to men, in this case the women is been used as a tool to keep customers in the bar, there is nothing illegal in this. The other female bar staff have even said they have no problem with this.

If she is uncomfortable with the job then she dont work there. I dont see whats so complicated about it. You expect employers to change there policies based on an employee simply not feeling comfortable?

Its like all these silly stories I keep reading about chemist staff refusing to sell certian drugs, butchers refusing to handle meat etc.

they are only stories lately about a certain religion the law in this country has been clear on those points for years but as it was mostly Christians ( of which i am one ) and Jews who were affected

no chemist or in fact nurse/dr can be maid to give out prescriptions that cause abortions or take part in doing one if it goes against their conscience

same goes in a butchers if the meat is not allowed to be touched as part of their religion

from my faith most wont handle cigarettes none of these things make it to the papers but they have been a part of life in this country for a long time so yes employers have to alter some things to conform to things the staff will do

and if this dress had been of medium or long length and less revealing they would be able to insist on it they could make them wear pink uniforms with yellow spots on them if they wish

but the rules have never allowed them to force staff except where it is explicitly pointed out before they get the job ( strippers poll dances etc ) to require staff to wear things they feel vulnerable in

this country doesn't treat staff a slaves unlike some other countries

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[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

...I think the argument against wearing it seems to be based on women been equal to men, in this case the women is been used as a tool to keep customers in the bar, there is nothing illegal in this. The other female bar staff have even said they have no problem with this....

I suppose a lawyer could make a case for "constructive dismissal", if the employer knew the women would refuse to abide by the new dress code.

.... You expect employers to change there policies based on an employee simply not feeling comfortable?...

Erm, yes. For example, there are rules imposed on employers to make sure their office staff are sitting comfortably at their desks - height on monitor, angle of elbows, etc.

...Its like all these silly stories I keep reading about chemist staff refusing to sell certian drugs, ....

In that particular case the chemist was abiding by rules of professional conduct.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

This story is getting laughable, everytime l read this; She goes for a job in a bar, she must have been told up front, what she would have to wear, she is then asked to where a revealing red dress as part of the job, as she doesn't like it, she claims for an tribunal, it can't be constructive dismissal, and if she gets a tribunal victory, she will open the gates for more trival claims, as this is what this is.

[Curry Master.]

I'm so shallow i'd drown in a puddle but i'd employ her to serve me drinks & if she did'nt like the dress she could take it off!!!!!!!

[the_neurotic_cat]

My first impression is that I admire this Fata Lemes. It's nice to hear of a young attractive woman who doesn't equate being a strong woman with exposing her body.

I feel it's wrong that she should be expected to put up with sexual approaches from customers whilst she is doing her job. The fact that it was a bar is completely irrelevant. A bar is not a brothel and she is not a prostitute.

If Lemes wishes to wear revealing clothing whilst off duty that is a personal choice in personal time and is also irrelevant. Lemes also needs to understand that she doesn't have to defend her desire to cover up whilst on shift by reffering to her religion. An employer has no right to make you expose your body against your will. If this was something that Lemes knew she would have to do before she accepted the job it might be different.

I can't be bothered to type anything else right now.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by the_neurotic_cat

My first impression is that I admire this Fata Lemes. It's nice to hear of a young attractive woman who doesn't equate being a strong woman with exposing her body.

I feel it's wrong that she should be expected to put up with sexual approaches from customers whilst she is doing her job. The fact that it was a bar is completely irrelevant. A bar is not a brothel and she is not a prostitute.

If Lemes wishes to wear revealing clothing whilst off duty that is a personal choice in personal time and is also irrelevant. Lemes also needs to understand that she doesn't have to defend her desire to cover up whilst on shift by reffering to her religion. An employer has no right to make you expose your body against your will. If this was something that Lemes knew she would have to do before she accepted the job it might be different.

I can't be bothered to type anything else right now.

You don't need to as you've made an excellent post already.

[Russ]

The thing is - the dress is not revealing.

Originally Posted by Russ B

The thing is - the dress is not revealing.

Sorry Russ I have to disagree on that one..it's extremely clingy and shows everything including panty lines and whether yo have a bra on or not.Those jersey type dresses are awful for showing all your flabby bits too.

Like I said earlier in the thread the bosses should be done over by the fashion police as it's a truly awful dress..

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Sorry Russ I have to disagree on that one..it's extremely clingy and shows everything including panty lines and whether yo have a bra on or not.Those jersey type dresses are awful for showing all your flabby bits too.

Like I said earlier in the thread the bosses should be done over by the fashion police as it's a truly awful dress..

I think Russ meant to say, Not Revealing Enough lol