Muslim Waitress Sacked for Refusing to Wear Red Dress.

Ive read the telegraph report in the link provided and get the impression that she refused to wear the dress immediately so why is she smiling in the photo and why did she allow herself to be photographed in it

Originally Posted by dgardner

Ive read the telegraph report in the link provided and get the impression that she refused to wear the dress immediately so why is she smiling in the photo and why did she allow herself to be photographed in it

It's not the same woman.

Ah that explains it.

[The Hitman]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

she looks pretty wasted in her pic also just a money grabbing scam. Wish I had something that made me a minority you know to expoilt. I got red hair people are always prejuduced towards me. Pay me pay me lol

Put on a red dress. Go out to a bar on a Saturday night. You might be offered 50p. If you are lucky.Very lucky I might add

Id have to pay them lol

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

it may have been normal in the past but any place doing that today risks many things least of those would be this sort of action

because if their staff get harassed in a sexual manner they will have to show they did their best to stop it happening

now hat wont mean pole dancers would be able to claim for their type of work but it would mean some one serving food and drinks would


ofcourse if we want old fashioned values we could get all those ladies tied back to the kitchen sinks

if she has legit concerns of sexual harrassment thats a different matter, its a reason why some bars and clubs have bouncers. SO if she has a complaint she is been sexually harrassed and the employer hasnt got adequate policies to deal with it then fair enough, but she is rambling on about wearing a uniform as well.

Of course its usual for some bars to have women wearing revealing clothing for a very obvious reason which I hope I dont have to explain.

When I first read the article I thought she was asked to wear it and was the only one asked, but now I understand its a uniform for all the bar staff I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Dont you see the idiocy of the claim when you see the clothing she wears in the picture of her normal clothes?

I was employed by a few women not so long back and I had to complain about sexual harassment. I went into the office and stood in front of them and said " I have a complaint. I want to be sexually harassed "

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

People keep mentioning what she is wearing in the picture. That could be an old pic. She could have changed her ways since.

is it true that muslims have to stay clear of alcohol? if yes then she had not changed enough not to work in a bar

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I was employed by a few women not so long back and I had to complain about sexual harassment. I went into the office and stood in front of them and said " I have a complaint. I want to be sexually harassed "

lol


but back to the point

what she wears other wise isn't the point if she doesn't feel comfortable in it in front of people that's up to her

i think the religion thing is not what she should have approached this from but in any case no one should be forced into doing anything they are not happy with

even under the old rules industrial tribunals worked under i think they would be on a loosing wicket

they have often upheld a right for an employer to ask staff to wear uniforms but only where they can show they required a similar standard for any men working there plus that what was being put forward to wear was what was normaly expected and that has been found on many occasions not to include short dresses

the only real way they could insist on this is if it was part of a contract at the very beginning of her contract and now even if they did that they would then have to show they were putting in place measures to protect their staff from any unwanted contact

lol though if they win i might order French maid outfits for the nursery staff they could look good with them playing on the floor with the kids while i sort the computers out

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[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Escapee

Any job in a bar/pub attracts sexual attention, but this woman is trying to use her race to her advantage. In my local pub all the barmaids have had blokes pestering them, but the majority just know how to deal with them.

Actually, to nitpick for a while, it isn't her race. I've met a few Bosnians who are perfectly happy to wear revealing outfits. Having said that, I don't think they were practicing muslims though. It is a religious thing though.

I agree generally though. Most women I know who have been (or are) barmaids or watresses have just learned how to deal with sexual advances from men. Some just politely smile, and play along. Some politely smile and say no. Some just say eff off (or words to that effect).

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I agree. If the article is true she is using Islam as the basis of her action. If she's doing this then I as a muslim would say she's being a hypocrite as she shouldnt be working in a bar in the first place.

True, she clearly doesn't have a problem with people getting drunk. Which is the greater sin in the Koran? Helping others have Alcohol or showing flesh?

I think more people would have had more sympathy with her if she didnt cite religion and jut said that she felt uncomfortable wearing that outfit. No one should be forced to wear clothing they dont want to wear, if they feel its too revealing for arguments sake. I have seen barmaids dressed in far less revealing clothes then the dress in the picture so its not even like its part of the job to wear such a dress.

It's not really part of the job but the firm describe it as a "summary uniform". Not sure exactly what that means, but I take it to mean that while it isn't an official uniform (and therefore wearing it was a condition of employment), it was clear she was expected to wear it. If this was made clear, she has no right to complain.

Most jobs have no actual requirments for what people wear (beyond physical ones, such as the uniforms worn by Firemen), but the companies or organisations people work for may require uniforms.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

True, she clearly doesn't have a problem with people getting drunk. Which is the greater sin in the Koran? Helping others have Alcohol or showing flesh?

Extremely good question....

The Koran's statements are purely about intoxication and that it makes muslims forget about god and prayer... So in essence a muslim could quite happily serve alcohol but not to other muslims....

It's Mohammed who later adds that Muslims should avoid alcohol and that is take literrally as Not to drink alcohol

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Extremely good question....

The Koran's statements are purely about intoxication and that it makes muslims forget about god and prayer... So in essence a muslim could quite happily serve alcohol but not to other muslims....

It's Mohammed who later adds that Muslims should avoid alcohol and that is take literrally as Not to drink alcohol

Actually muslims should not profit from, or even be involved in selling and buying alcohol even for non muslims. It's to be avoided. Muslims follow the Koran and Hadith (teachings of the prophet Muhammed).

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Actually muslims should not profit from, or even be involved in selling and buying alcohol even for non muslims. It's to be avoided. Muslims follow the Koran and Hadith (teachings of the prophet Muhammed).

there you go then she should not have worked in the bar so she has no place using religion as an excuse full stop. The courts will know this and laugh at her

[Kymmy]

The problem though is that it's not actually stated as such in the Koran but instead as with most religions it's how people interpret the sayings....

Look at South Africa the boers took passages from the old testament about the Isrealites in Caanan and used it to justify slavery and later on aparthied....

But as religion is mainly about interpretations it then really is upto the individual....(pity not all religious people see it that way)