Corbyn's kerfuffle

[Osem]

Yes just like Corbyn's mask of respectability which slipped when he cynically decided to mislead the public and got caught out, Labour's cloak of decency has well and truly slipped over the past year or so. Of course those of us who've seen it all before knew full well it was always an act, occasionally betrayed by one or other of them like Brown when he called an old lady a bigot or Livingstone when he likened a Jewish journalist to a Nazi prison camp guard. Some folks are of course just too young to remember the nastiness of the past, others just have a selective memory when it suits but the reality is that nastiness, hypocrisy and deceit runs through Labour's core just like 'Blackpool' in a Fylde Coast stick of rock.

I see Corbyn's typically now claiming that he's been the victim of a politically inspired attack, this time by Richard Branson. In typical lefty style, he hasn't got the decency to admit he's been caught out and gets all nasty about it, trying to shift the spotlight from his deceit. I dare say he'll be hoping for 'a good day to bury bad news' to rescue him...

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Does it matter that the train was full in the end, what's the most important point of this story, commuters having to sit on the floor after paying a fortune for a season ticket or having a pop at corbyn, since when has a politician playing fast and loose with the truth made the news, it's not like we've just made the most important decision of a generation based on nothing but lies

[url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/23/jeremy-corbyn-virgin-trains-disputes-claim-over-lack-of-seats

He lied. His supporters defend his political incompetence in part because he is a honest politician who doesn't do PR or spin. Here though he lied, he does do these things, so all we're left with is an incompetent politician.

It cuts to the heart of his biggest strength. That's why its news.

Also I hate this idea politicians should travel 2nd class or as have scummy a trip as possible. I hope next time May is on a train she takes 1st class and when asked why he says it's because she is the PM and needs to travel for work. It's not unreasonable for the Prime Minister to travel first class given the work they have to do and the hours they do.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

He lied. His supporters defend his political incompetence in part because he is a honest politician who doesn't do PR or spin. Here though he lied, he does do these things, so all we're left with is an incompetent politician.

It cuts to the heart of his biggest strength. That's why its news.

Also I hate this idea politicians should travel 2nd class or as have scummy a trip as possible. I hope next time May is on a train she takes 1st class and when asked why he says it's because she is the PM and needs to travel for work. It's not unreasonable for the Prime Minister to travel first class given the work they have to do and the hours they do.

It's called "Standard Class" these days.

[Julian]

Jeremy is angry

And at the foot of the article is the report that the release of the cctv footage is being investigated, what a shock

[rhyds]

As Al Murray said on twitter

"Branson won't have run this past his legal team. No chance at all..."

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by rhyds

As Al Murray said on twitter

"Branson won't have run this past his legal team. No chance at all..."

I'd be surprised at that. It wouldn't have been Branson who did the actual publishing of the CCTV footage and I would have thought that a Virgin employee with access to such footage would be in knowledge of the DPA and how it applies to their company.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Politicians are frequently misleading, however even in their game telling deliberate, outright lies to the public is frowned upon.

Walking past empty seats, sitting on the floor and then telling YouTube that there are no empty seats isn't misleading - it is a bare-faced lie, apparently because the facts were getting in the way of the story they wanted to tell.

In another age - not so far in the past - this would have been a resigning issue. Unfortunately, what passes for the Labour leadership is now operating according to some bizarre pseudo-revolutionary principle where just about anything is permissible as long as it furthers The Cause.

Yes the story he wanted to tell that was true a couple of stops later, that seems to have been lost in the ensuing excrement storm. I like politicians to be above reproach but the days of doing the honourable thing are long gone

But some people may have left the train at York, so it may not necessarily have been true a couple of stops later...

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes the story he wanted to tell that was true a couple of stops later, that seems to have been lost in the ensuing excrement storm. I like politicians to be above reproach but the days of doing the honourable thing are long gone

Then he should have recorded it then.

There is plenty of overcrowding on trains so Corbyn has managed to lie in telling a story that is often true. That is a special kind of incompetence.

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Damien

Then he should have recorded it then.

There is plenty of overcrowding on trains so Corbyn has managed to lie in telling a story that is often true. That is a special kind of incompetence.

so true.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes the story he wanted to tell that was true a couple of stops later, that seems to have been lost in the ensuing excrement storm. I like politicians to be above reproach but the days of doing the honourable thing are long gone

Sorry but that sounds like Piers Morgan weakly insisting that his front page splash of British soldiers peeing all over Iraqi detainees was "representative of the sort of thing that's going on", right before being forced to admit the photos were staged. And then resigning.

As Damian said, if what he wanted to say was essentially true, all he had to to was bide his time and shoot his footage at a point when it was actually true. This was a very special form of incompetence.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Sorry but that sounds like Piers Morgan weakly insisting that his front page splash of British soldiers peeing all over Iraqi detainees was "representative of the sort of thing that's going on", right before being forced to admit the photos were staged. And then resigning.

As Damian said, if what he wanted to say was essentially true, all he had to to was bide his time and shoot his footage at a point when it was actually true. This was a very special form of incompetence.

Apparently Corbyn's account was true according to the other passengers, you know the people that were actually there.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...android-h3g-gb

[Pierre]

I travel the East Coast line on a weekly basis at all different times and I chan tell you at 11:00 there is no issue in finding any seat you want.

Now if he'd jumped on at Kings X at 17:15, he could probably be stood up until Stevenage or even Peterborough. But even at those times you can still find a seat if really want one, depends who you're willing to sit next to!

Also, like most of us he'd probably be travelling on an off-peak advance were reserving your seat is mandatory!!!

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Apparently Corbyn's account was true according to the other passengers, you know the people that were actually there.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...android-h3g-gb

Those CCTV pictures showing the empty seats must have been faked, then...

[heero_yuy]

He was insisting on finding a pair of seats so he could sit next to his wife. A rather difficult requirement on a crowded train. IMHO a self manufactured problem.

If he wanted that he should have booked seats. It ain't rocket science.