Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by pip08456

What cantankerous statement? I asked a genuine question. That's why there was a question mark at the end of the sentance and not an exclamation mark!

Didn't come over as coming from someone who had got out of the right side of the bed.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It was the correct figure, which did not take into account the rebate, which is not a permanent fixture. It wouldn't have made any difference to voting if the lower figure had been quoted - it was still a huge sum which is better in our coffers than the black hole which is the EU.

It was an incorrect figure and they were told it was incorrect by official bodies but failed to change it. The objective in stating an incorrect figure was to move the debate onto the fact that we pay for membership and not the loss of jobs that will come when EU bodies like the medicines and banking regulators move outside the UK and service companies relocate staff.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It was an incorrect figure and they were told it was incorrect by official bodies but failed to change it. The objective in stating an incorrect figure was to move the debate onto the fact that we pay for membership and not the loss of jobs that will come when EU bodies like the medicines and banking regulators move outside the UK and service companies relocate staff.

Politicians lie, unfortunately it's what we expect.

People voted the way they did for all the wrong reasons and didn't realise the consequences. A lot of them now realise how screwed we are, but few are prepared to admit they got it wrong, human nature I guess.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Politicians lie, unfortunately it's what we expect.

People voted the way they did for all the wrong reasons and didn't realise the consequences. A lot of them now realise how screwed we are, but few are prepared to admit they got it wrong, human nature I guess.

Spot on Mr K. Now beat a hasty retreat

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Spot on Mr K. Now beat a hasty retreat

He's only half right in that politicians lie.

The rest is just his normal garbage.

Originally Posted by pip08456

The rest is just his normal garbage.

Correct, a lot of it is just him hissy fitting, and having his daily whine, he says 'A lot of brexiteers know how screwed they are.', Which is total BS, because he has not asked any of them.' I think he is conveniently forgetting nearly 26 million people voted for two brexit focused parties, in the recent general election just gone.

Lib Dem's were promising a 2nd referendum, clearly this was not the popular choice.

So I would like to know who this brexiteer lot, who he says, now think they are screwed...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Correct, a lot of it is just him hissy fitting, and having his daily whine, he says 'A lot of brexiteers know how screwed they are.', Which is total BS, because he has not asked any of them.' I think he is conveniently forgetting nearly 26 million people voted for two brexit focused parties, in the recent general election just gone.

Lib Dem's were promising a 2nd referendum, clearly this was not the popular choice.

So I would like to know who this brexiteer lot, who he says, now think they are screwed...

You misquoted me there Mick. I said how screwed we are. I forgive you fwiw.

Unless we get away from winners/losers, Remainers/Brexiters, and realise see we're all on the same side at the end of the day, then this country is doubly screwed.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You misquoted me there Mick. I said how screwed we are. I forgive you fwiw.

Unless we get away from winners/losers, Remainers/Brexiters, and realise see we're all on the same side at the end of the day, then this country is doubly screwed.

Exactly.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You misquoted me there Mick. I said how screwed we are. I forgive you fwiw.

Unless we get away from winners/losers, Remainers/Brexiters, and realise see we're all on the same side at the end of the day, then this country is doubly screwed.

We're not on the same side, though, are we? You guys want to remain in this virtual communist monstrosity of an organisation that is stifling the hell out of us and we want out of it.

Remaining in the EU is not in the UK's best interests.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It was an incorrect figure and they were told it was incorrect by official bodies but failed to change it. The objective in stating an incorrect figure was to move the debate onto the fact that we pay for membership and not the loss of jobs that will come when EU bodies like the medicines and banking regulators move outside the UK and service companies relocate staff.

It was the correct figure when the rebate is taken into account, and like I said, the lower figure you prefer is still huge and would have made no difference to the argument if that had been used instead. You are picking over ancient bones here.

[jonbxx]

How is the EU communist?!? Where has the EU suggested the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social class, money and state? If anything, most anti EU protagonists complain about too much state because of the EU.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

How is the EU communist?!? Where has the EU suggested the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social class, money and state? If anything, most anti EU protagonists complain about too much state because of the EU.

I said 'virtual communist'. They are not there yet, but look at the way they are going. I don't think business leaders really view them as helpful at all, obsessed as they are with regulation and penalising success.

It is plain to see that they are stifling enterprise, and I think the majority of voters in this country see that.

One step along the slippery path...

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I said 'virtual communist'. They are not there yet, but look at the way they are going. I don't think business leaders really view them as helpful at all, obsessed as they are with regulation and penalising success.

It is plain to see that they are stifling enterprise, and I think the majority of voters in this country see that.

One step along the slippery path...

I can't see how having a customs union and single market allowing businesses to sell products and services in an open manner to 743 million potential customers is stifling enterprise. Of course to do this right, you need a level playing field, hence the regulations

Originally Posted by Mr K

Unless we get away from winners/losers, Remainers/Brexiters, and realise see we're all on the same side at the end of the day, then this country is doubly screwed.

Bollocks, we are being doubly screwed right now while we are still in that pile of garbage.

As long as we stay in a corrupted entity, we will always be screwed, that's why we are coming out and rightly so, especially when certain old pricks and their teams, in the EU are spending 5 figure sums to travel to other parts of the EU, I mean FFS, £24,000+ for a private air taxi for just one day, is taking the piss...

The European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and his team racked up a bill of £24,450 by chartering a private plane for a one-night visit to Rome, campaigners have revealed.

The fee for the "air taxis" which commissioners are supposed to charter only when there are no commercial options available was part of almost half a million euro bill accumulated by the 28 commissioners in January and February 2016.

Spanish-based human rights group Access Info spent several years trying to obtain detailed information about EU officials' expenses and following an official request, the Commission released the travel expenses documents.

The private jet from Brussels to Rome was used by Mr Juncker and an eight-people delegation in February 2016.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7885326.html

This half a million Euros, is only a month's worth of travel expenditure, imagine a full year.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

Bollocks, we are being doubly screwed right now while we are still in that pile of garbage.

As long as we stay in a corrupted entity, we will always be screwed, that's why we are coming out and rightly so, especially when certain old pricks and their teams, in the EU are spending 5 figure sums to travel to other parts of the EU, I mean FFS, £24,000+ for a private air taxi for just one day, is taking the piss...



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7885326.html

This half a million Euros, is only a month's worth of travel expenditure, imagine a full year.

Typical of the EU's largesse when it comes to looking after all those snouts in the Euro-trough. Tip of the iceberg methinks.

[jonbxx]

€500,000 is pretty much the same as UKIP appear to have defrauded the EU to pay for election expenses and have to pay back