June 8th General Election

Love the part where he tries to look it up on his iPad mid interview

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mick

I don't, I thought he was just as rough on her as he was on him.

Saw a lot of complaints online about Paxman and his style of interviewing, but I guess these young people, who worship JeIRAmy, were not around in the days when Paxman hosted Newsnight.

I think Paxman needs to retire. He was more interested in making himself look smart and clever in front of the audience, than asking pertinent questions and giving Corbyn and May time to answer. It was easy to pick the person with biggest ego in the studio last night; and it wasn't the politicians.


He seemed to attack Corbyn more; and I think that quite possibly have worked Corbyn's favour.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Love the part where he tries to look it up on his iPad mid interview

Can you imagine that idiot having to make vital decisions in a national crisis? He is totally out of his depth.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

I think Paxman needs to retire

These people tend to become caricatures of themselves over time.

[Ramrod]

As the Guardian, that noted bastion of Orangeism, said in an editorial in 1996: ‘Mr Corbyn’s actions do not advance the cause of peace in Northern Ireland and are not seriously intended to do so’. That was a week after an IRA bomb had exploded in London’s Docklands, in response to which Corbyn invited Gerry Adams to Westminster. As the Guardian put it, this episode provided a showcase for Corbyn’s ‘abiding’ qualities:

‘…his lack of wider political and moral judgment, his predilection for gesture politics, his insensitivity to the feelings of most Londoners and his indifference to the policies of his party’.

The paper concluded, ‘Mr Corbyn is a fool, and a fool whom the Labour party would probably be better off without’.

It is true that the UK government talked with terrorists. True that it opened unofficial, back channel, communications with the Provisional IRA at regular intervals. True that, since the peace process reached its tipping point, Sinn Fein have become almost respectable and, as such, have been welcomed into the body of the kirk, the better to ensure there is no slippage and no return to the ghastly bad old days. But those government contacts were of a quite different order to Jeremy Corbyn’s contacts and relationship with the republican movement. They were contacts designed to explore the possibility of ending the violence. They were not conducted in a spirit of fellow-travelling. For Corbyn and his ilk, only the provisionals represented the true spirit of Ireland. They, not constitutional nationalists, were the legitimate voice of Ireland. It was a shameful position to hold then and no amount of whitewash or revisionism can alter that.

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[ntluser]

Just been reading about Corbyn's plans for a land tax which would have quite an expensive negative effect on ordinary homeowners.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arden-tax.html

Originally Posted by ntluser

Just been reading about Corbyn's plans for a land tax which would have quite an expensive negative effect on ordinary homeowners.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arden-tax.html

All his giveaways are a 'Buy Now, Pay later.' scheme, they claim the manifesto is all costed, but what they fail to realise is that once Corporation Tax is but back up, companies start packing up or distribute the profits over seas, therefore the tax amount goes down and massive holes appear in their 'fully costed' manifesto.

Add to that, when companies are forced to start paying £10 an hour, companies will be forced to start cutting staff numbers, they are being hit with a double whammy.

£10 an hour is all well and good but companies have to be able to afford it that it does not send them under.

[Mr K]

The former chancellor doesn't appear to be fan of Mother Theresa !
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/co...-a3552206.html

The fact that the Prime Minister today is trying to get the Conservative campaign focused back on Europe is revealing. When Theresa May announced she was calling an election, the pretext she gave was that Brexit was the single most important issue facing the country — and that she needed a stronger mandate to negotiate on Britain’s behalf. She was right about the importance of the issue, although we suspect the allure of a potential landslide was the real reason for the election.

What is certain is that the way we conduct these European negotiations will determine our relations with our near neighbours and allies for decades. Here we could not have got off to a worse start. High-handed British arrogance and low leaks from the Europeans have poisoned the dialogue before it’s even started. Anyone who cares about Britain’s role in the world will have been dismayed this weekend to see the German Chancellor lump Brexit Britain with Trump’s America, and claim that neither are reliable partners any more. Whether it was sensible for Angela Merkel to reveal her fears about the western alliance in public in a beer tent in Munich is doubtful; what counts is that she and other Europeans now think that way.

Meanwhile, at home we face profound choices about everything from who we let into the country to how we sustain support for the free market and the free trade it depends on. Yet hardly any of this has featured in what was supposed to be the Brexit election. Labour knows the public shudders at the thought of Jeremy Corbyn representing the country abroad, so what passes for its campaign strategy has been a focus on softer domestic issues, from childcare to haircuts. The Conservative campaign has meandered from an abortive attempt to launch a personality cult around Mrs May to the self-inflicted wound of the most disastrous manifesto in recent history and, after the atrocity in Manchester, shrill attacks on Mr Corbyn’s appeasement of terrorism.

Their campaign seems to have gone out of its way to avoid the very issue — Brexit — that was supposed to be the very reason we were having an election in the first place. The result can be summed up by what we imagine to be the conversation around the breakfast table in Downing Street: “Honey, I shrunk the poll lead.”

Good old George, he'll be waiting a while for his knighthood though

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

All his giveaways are a 'Buy Now, Pay later.' scheme, they claim the manifesto is all costed, but what they fail to realise is that once Corporation Tax is but back up, companies start packing up or distribute the profits over seas, therefore the tax amount goes down and massive holes appear in their 'fully costed' manifesto.

Add to that, when companies are forced to start paying £10 an hour, companies will be forced to start cutting staff numbers, they are being hit with a double whammy.

£10 an hour is all well and good but companies have to be able to afford it that it does not send them under.

Time and time again he proves he hasn't got a clue and relies on others to deal with fairly basic questions. He's living in a dream world but, make no mistake, he is a puppet for some really nasty people who're pulling his strings and treating him like a useful fool.

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How very odd that the good old not at all left wing biased Beeb would allow this sort of thing to happen:

A few weeks back Guido told you how a prolific Corbynista was being used as a supposedly non-partisan NHS talking head on the BBC News Channel. Jezza’s fans are certainly having some success at slipping through the BBC producers’ net. The BBC News website has now run a story based on criticism of the Tory grammar schools policy by a Dr Alice Sullivan of the UCL Institute of Education. Sullivan is described by the Beeb as a “professor of sociology at University College London”. What they don’t mention is that she is also a massive Corbyn supporter who regularly promotes pro-Jez material on her Facebook page (which has now been taken down).

https://order-order.com/2017/05/30/a...hough-bbc-net/

They do like closing down social media accounts when rumbled don't they...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Osem

He's living in a dream world but, make no mistake, he is a puppet for some really nasty people who're pulling his strings and treating him like a useful fool..

I'm beginning to suspect you don't like Jezza

The more he's appeared in this campaign the further Labour have gone up in the polls. Labour may not win but they are going to do better than people expected. He is offering a definite choice, which the public haven't had in recently elections. Blair/Cameron/Clegg diddly squat difference between them.

[Taf]

I have been bombarded with pro-Corbyn social media posts from all directions, most pointing to pro-Corbyn sites that seem to have popped-up overnight offering the same mumblings, promises and "truths".

Politics has most definitely moved en masse onto the internet platform. Cheap and easy to do, with so much repetition of "facts" that it is hard to track now if there is any "truth" to any of the posts.

And the younger voters, attached to the internet with their mobile data-placentas, appear to be lapping it all up.

"It was on the internet, so it's true right?"

Originally Posted by Taf

I have been bombarded with pro-Corbyn social media posts from all directions, most pointing to pro-Corbyn sites that seem to have popped-up overnight offering the same mumblings, promises and "truths".

Politics has most definitely moved en masse onto the internet platform. Cheap and easy to do, with so much repetition of "facts" that it is hard to track now if there is any "truth" to any of the posts.

And the younger voters, attached to the internet with their mobile data-placentas, appear to be lapping it all up.

"It was on the internet, so it's true right?"

I think it's one of the most dangerous aspects of modern politics. The way that 'alternative' news sources purporting to to tell the truth unfiltered by the 'corporate' media have proliferated.

There are many on both the left and right of politics and, conventionally, they almost always seem to paint one side as entirely right and the other as entirely wrong. They are hyper-partisan whilst portraying themselves as the antidote to a biased press. It's remarkable how many otherwise intelligent people consume these sources and at best they excuse it as redressing a balance as if the best way to counter a lie is with more, but different, lies.

The danger is that it just wears people down until there is no such thing as an objective truth and everything is a matter of opinion. Facts are dismissed as fake news or just one side of the story. People will sneer at real reporting, sourced on the ground and with editorial control, whilst placing absolute faith in some random blog or YouTube video from some partisan hack in his or her bedroom.

People should be more willing to challenge themselves and if everything you read only reinforces your own existing opinion that should be a massive red flag.

As for discerning if any of it is true? I would just dismiss it all out of hand because you don't have the time to fact-check random nut jobs.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

We cannot have ANOTHER Tory government in power for another five years. The was an item on London Tv, where a guy was from Camden Town.
And he was right that, millionaires should pay more in Tax. We should have a Mansion Tax. The same as those on benefit - they have Bedroom Tax. Why should millionaires pay the same tax as me - with a three bedroom house. And these millionaires have up to six or seven bedrooms.

In fact he stated that some homes in and around Camden Town, but houses in there Million pound mark. And ont live in them. They should pay more in tax.

The Conservatives will look after there own - the rich. And bugger the poor. I watched the debate between Corbyn and May. And yes, they were both heckled. I even noticed that when a Police Officer mentioned Police cuts. She onl stated that 'we' have to live within our means.

What is more important is the lives of Jo Public. Better health services, better social care etc etc.

More social housing. I have been waiting for a downsize for three years, and every advert that comes out for suitable housing - its home seekers only.

We need a government that will look after US. and that is NOT Miss May.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's one of the most dangerous aspects of modern politics. The way that 'alternative' news sources purporting to to tell the truth unfiltered by the 'corporate' media have proliferated.

There are many on both the left and right of politics and, conventionally, they almost always seem to paint one side as entirely right and the other as entirely wrong. They are hyper-partisan whilst portraying themselves as the antidote to a biased press. It's remarkable how many otherwise intelligent people consume these sources and at best they excuse it as redressing a balance as if the best way to counter a lie is with more, but different, lies.

The danger is that it just wears people down until there is no such thing as an objective truth and everything is a matter of opinion. Facts are dismissed as fake news or just one side of the story. People will sneer at real reporting, sourced on the ground and with editorial control, whilst placing absolute faith in some random blog or YouTube video from some partisan hack in his or her bedroom.

People should be more willing to challenge themselves and if everything you read only reinforces your own existing opinion that should be a massive red flag.

As for discerning if any of it is true? I would just dismiss it all out of hand because you don't have the time to fact-check random nut jobs.

I think that's the strategy of some of the non-mainstream sites - to wear people down so they don't know what's wrong or right.

I find it interesting on this site the number of people who rightly criticise Corbyn and Abbott for their incompetence with figures but turn a blind eye to the many, many u-turns of Theresa May and her inability to state the economic cost of immigration caps and when targets will be achieved in this area. Why can't people rise above it all and empower themselves to criticise Corbyn, Farron and May for their many failings?

[Gary L]

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Dave is missing?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think that's the strategy of some of the non-mainstream sites - to wear people down so they don't know what's wrong or right.

I find it interesting on this site the number of people who rightly criticise Corbyn and Abbott for their incompetence with figures but turn a blind eye to the many, many u-turns of Theresa May and her inability to state the economic cost of immigration caps and when targets will be achieved in this area. Why can't people rise above it all and empower themselves to criticise Corbyn, Farron and May for their many failings?

I would extend that to cover some of the mainstream media. The age of responsible journalism is over it seems.

Journalists should hold all politicians to account and not just peddle their corporate owners bile & prejudice.