Hamas Israel War

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I certainly agree that Likud & Hamas need to go, in the latter case completely offed. The two state solution stands no chance with Likud in power, propped up by the Ayatollah like Ultras.

So true, well said

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

Bloody hell, I find myself agreeing with you! And I have not been drinking...

Of course. I'm a clear thinker.

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by Hugh

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don't worry mate!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

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Silly Hugh.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Silly Hugh.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Agreed. Both claim the land from the River to the Sea and both want the other population gone.

Both need to go. Likud and Hamas ...

Spot on.

Extremists just encourage extremists to thrive on the other side.

[1andrew1]

Disturbing approach by Israel.

Israel has questions to answer after WHO's profoundly worrying Gaza hospital report

Israel does not appear to be following up its military operation in northern Gaza with a large-scale humanitarian mission, Sky's Dominic Waghorn writes, adding it has "disputed its responsibilities under the rules of war."

Gaza has lost its largest hospital.

Al Shifa has been the beating heart of the strip's medical infrastructure for almost eight decades, but now is "basically not functioning", according to the World Health Organisation (WHO).

Thirty-two babies still in hospital 'death zone' - live updates

The WHO's findings pose some very difficult questions for Israel and its military campaign in Gaza.

Under the rules of war, hospitals are protected from military activity unless it can be proven the enemy is using them to pose a threat.

Israel claims it has found a Hamas command and control centre in the hospital and that beneath it is a complex of Hamas built tunnels.

But it has not produced the evidence to back that up - just footage claiming to show a tunnel entrance nearby, some assault rifles, some grenades, and laptops described as "technological assets".

As the normally pro-Israeli government Jerusalem Post has put it, Israel has presented a much weaker case to the world about Hamas's presence at the hospital than expected.

The WHO's report is profoundly worrying. It says Gaza's biggest hospital is now a "death zone".

Most of the patients have left. Footage over the weekend has shown patients emerging under white flags while Israeli tanks prowl the area.

Left behind are the severely ill who cannot be moved and 32 babies in an extremely critical condition.

The Hamas-run Gaza health ministry told AFP that at least 50 people were killed in an air strike on the UN-run al Fakhoura school in Jabalia refugee camp. Sky News cannot independently verify these reports, and has contacted the IDF for comment.

Under international humanitarian law, parties to an armed conflict have a duty to meet the basic needs of a population under its control.

Hamas has comprehensively failed to meet that standard, firing rockets from within residential areas and from schools and other civilian buildings.

But Israel as a modern democracy holds itself to higher standards. It does not appear to be following up its military operation in northern Gaza with a large-scale humanitarian mission.

Israeli officials have disputed its responsibilities under the rules of war. They have told Sky News that D-Day was not followed immediately by a Marshall Plan.

But as allied troops moved through northern France in 1945, measures were put in place to feed and shelter civilians.

Israel is arguably not doing the same on the scale required, and now its operation has effectively shut down the biggest hospital in Gaza just as the humanitarian disaster is deepening.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-ha...eport-13011430

[Sephiroth]

The article is somewhat skewed, appealing to emotion rather than important detail.

For example, Israel’s point about D-Day and the Marshall Plan is well founded. The allied provision as they “moved through Europe” encompassed hundreds of miles, and the provision was made after they’d secured a significant front. Gaza is 25 miles by 4 miles in size, and thus the entire area is a war zone. Any charge against Israel that they’re not doing the humanitarian follow up is rooted in prejudice.

If, after Israel has fully secured Gaza, they don’t follow up on the humanitarian side, then do please criticise Israel.

[Sephiroth]

If just a handful of MPs who represent constituencies that sent delegates to the 300,00 strong protest can apply so much political pressure on Starmer, or indeed the government if Labour are in power, then we'll be no safer on the streets than Jewish people.

Just think, Starmer could be so desperate for power that he bends to that nasty minority. We are not safe from the supporters of Hamas.

Smell the coffee.

I wouldn’t worry - there’s no way he’ll bend to Reform U.K.

[Pierre]

It’s irrelevant, Israel are not taking any notice and nor do they have to.

Israel are doing what they deem necessary for their present and future security and that’s that.

[ianch99]

There is one question you should ask yourself and it is this:

If Hamas had gone to ground in an Israeli town/urban area, would the IDF be killing Jewish children and babies in pursuit of their military aims? Would they cut off water, food and power to Israeli hospitals? Would they demolish block upon block of Israeli housing, killing thousands of civilians?

The answer is, of course, no. Not is any way, shape or form. The Palestinians are perceived as disposable by the current Israeli government and it is this mindset, driven by the evil ultra-Zionist ideology, that delivers what we see before us.

What is worse is the West looking on and effectively endorsing these war crimes through hand wringing indolence. Out of the Western leaders, only Macron has the guts to call this out.

[Sephiroth]

Pure confection and whataboutery.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Pure confection and whataboutery.

Bless ...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Bless ...

Well, he's correct.

Completely hypothetical invention.

Here's another one.

If Hamas had gone into an Israeli town/urban area, killing Jewish children and babies in pursuit of their military aims? Knowing Israel would then cut off water, food and power to Gazan hospitals and that they would demolish block upon block of Gazan housing, killing thousands of civilians, would they still do it?

The answer is, of course, Yes. in any way, shape or form. The Palestinians are perceived as disposable by Hamas and it is this mindset, driven by the evil jihadist ideology, that delivers what we see before us.

What is worse is many in the West looking on and effectively endorsing these war crimes as they march through cities chanting from the river to the sea. Out of the Western leaders, no one has the guts to call this out.