Hamas Israel War

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I remind everyone, once again, that the claims of 40 beheaded babies didn't happen.

Is it the the number you're disputing? or that no babies were harmed in the making of this pogrom?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Is it the the number you're disputing? or that no babies were harmed in the making of this pogrom?

I'm making a clear and unambiguous statement that a piece of Israeli information distributed at outset to manufacture consent for their operation is a lie.

So when they, for example, claim that a hospital is a Hamas base or that the UN are terrorists it'd be sensible to corroborate this with a more credible source.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Eyewitness statements are evidence.

Photos are evidence.

Videos are evidence.

I will agree that it needs to be corroborated, you can't accept it all at face value, as I wouldn't accept anything from Hamas at face value.

So wait until it IS corroborated by all relevant authorities.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I'm making a clear and unambiguous statement that a piece of Israeli information distributed at outset to manufacture consent for their operation is a lie.

So when they, for example, claim that a hospital is a Hamas base or that the UN are terrorists it'd be sensible to corroborate this with a more credible source.

I’ll ask again.

Is it the the number you're disputing? or that no babies were harmed in the making of this pogrom?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ll ask again.

Is it the the number you're disputing? or that no babies were harmed in the making of this pogrom?

Ask again all you want it's the same answer - it was an Israeli propaganda piece to galvanise worldwide opinion and silence it's opponents.

There's no reason to believe the hit piece on the UN isn't out of exactly the same playbook.

If we are talking about harm to children what about the thousands killed in Israeli bombing raids or picked off by sniper fire. What about the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, at risk of starvation.

I'll give you a clue if your answer involves the word Hamas you are the problem.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kid...we-know-about/

2 infants, 12 other children under 10. No mention of beheading. 40 beheaded babies wasn't an accidental claim.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

if your answer involves the word Hamas you are the problem.

You should make a t-shirt out of that, Will sell well at the weekends in London.

[jfman]

Although they'll undoubtedly ignore it the ICJ have ordered Israel to allow uninhibited access for aid to be distributed within Gaza as famine is setting in.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-gaza-food-aid

It can palpably be demonstrated that Israel are blocking aid, as even it's own allies/enablers are resorting to building a port!

[1701-e]

Israel killing aid workers accidentally...... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68710949 Yep we believe you

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by 1701-e

Israel killing aid workers accidentally...... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68710949 Yep we believe you

And the consequence of having no aid workers to distribute the aid is

Ships turning back from Gaza with 240 tonnes of undelivered aid, Cyprus says

Earlier, we reported that World Central Kitchen was suspending its operations in Gaza after the killings of seven of its aid workers in an Israeli strike.

Three aid ships from Cyprus arrived on Monday carrying hundreds of tonnes of food and supplies organised by the charity and the UAE.

Around 100 tonnes had been unloaded before the charity suspended operations but now Cypriot foreign ministry spokesman Theodoros Gotsis says the remaining 240 tonnes will be sent back to Cyprus.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-ga...-blog-12978800

Israel is just seeing how fast they can lose any goodwill they have with their allies at this point. The long-term damage they are doing to their image with those who previously had a great deal of support for them is huge and I don't understand why this isn't factoring into their thinking as they continue to bomb Gaza with little regard for innocent casualties.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

Israel is just seeing how fast they can lose any goodwill they have with their allies at this point. The long-term damage they are doing to their image with those who previously had a great deal of support for them is huge and I don't understand why this isn't factoring into their thinking as they continue to bomb Gaza with little regard for innocent casualties.

Not wiping out Hamas, and showing what will happen to any other groups that might fancy carrying out another Oct 7th, could potentially cause them more long term damage, than their “image”

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not wiping out Hamas, and showing what will happen to any other groups that might fancy carrying out another Oct 7th, could potentially cause them more long term damage, than their “image”

I am sceptical that they will wipe out Hamas. Their leadership lives away from the havoc they sought to cause, their funding comes from Iran and these last few months are probably going to give them a load more recruits.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not wiping out Hamas, and showing what will happen to any other groups that might fancy carrying out another Oct 7th, could potentially cause them more long term damage, than their “image”

Israel seems to be creating more orphans and therefore more Hamas fighters, thereby creating more of a long-term threat to itself. It needs to rebuild Gaza and give the citizens reasons not to support Hamas other than bombing them. According to former MI6 Chief John Sawers, citing a senior #Israel intel official, "60% of #Hamas fighters alive today are orphans from previous wars."
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/s...17413642543255
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000650766084

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Originally Posted by Damien

I am sceptical that they will wipe out Hamas. Their leadership lives away from the havoc they sought to cause, their funding comes from Iran and these last few months are probably going to give them a load more recruits.

Exactly. Therein lies the problem.

[jfman]

At least when an innocent American gets killed they get an apology. What about the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

At least when an innocent American gets killed they get an apology. What about the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians?

Their families will be told that collateral damage happens in war and is a consequence of letting Hamas come to power.