TiVo : Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by m419

It is up to the local council, they are the ones who impose a conservation rule of the area as well as not allowing aerials and dishes to be seen from street level.

Therefore BT Vision is not always an option for people.

There is nothing Virgin Media can do, BT own the cable network, let them deal with it.

What about Milton Keynes?

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Originally Posted by m419

It is up to the local council, they are the ones who impose a conservation rule of the area as well as not allowing aerials and dishes to be seen from street level.

Therefore BT Vision is not always an option for people.

There is nothing Virgin Media can do, BT own the cable network, let them deal with it.

Do BT plan to lanch BT Infinity in Westminster and is it coverd by the C&W LLU network?

[m419]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

What about Milton Keynes?

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Do BT plan to lanch BT Infinity in Westminster and is it coverd by the C&W LLU network?

Milton keynes is still active, there too is a conservation rule about aerials and dishes but regardless of that, there is a problem with getting reception there because it is in a valley. Until BT upgrade it, then it will remain the same unless Virgin Media pulls out. Just so you know, Virgin Media is under no obligation to provide any services, so if they want to pullout anywhere, they can simply do that. They did years ago in Barbican.

And no BT hasn't rolled out Infinity across Westminster but is planned for this year sometime, and of course Cable and Wireless has a LLU network at every exchange in London. Virgin Media also have/did a telephone network across westminster but was made to stop offering it to new customers as part of the deal to use the BT cable network. And no Virgin Media won't use this again as it doesn't reach a majority of households in the borough and it is too expensive to retain it.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by m419

Milton keynes is still active, there too is a conservation rule about aerials and dishes but regardless of that, there is a problem with getting reception there because it is in a valley. Until BT upgrade it, then it will remain the same unless Virgin Media pulls out. Just so you know, Virgin Media is under no obligation to provide any services, so if they want to pullout anywhere, they can simply do that. They did years ago in Barbican.

And no BT hasn't rolled out Infinity across Westminster but is planned for this year sometime, and of course Cable and Wireless has a LLU network at every exchange in London. Virgin Media also have/did a telephone network across westminster but was made to stop offering it to new customers as part of the deal to use the BT cable network. And no Virgin Media won't use this again as it doesn't reach a majority of households in the borough and it is too expensive to retain it.

So could Virgin Media lauch Fiber Optic Broadband, Phone and IPTV services in Barbican, Wesminster and Milton Keynes via the BT Infinity/C&W LLU network?

[m419]

They already share the Cable and Wireless LLU network, the bit between the customers property and the exchange is not fibre.

It is up to BT to allow other companies to use its network on a lease basis.

And as I previously mentioned, Virgin Media are not going to do that, they are focusing on the fujitsu scheme. It is not commercially viable by other means

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by m419

They already share the Cable and Wireless LLU network, the bit between the customers property and the exchange is not fibre.

It is up to BT to allow other companies to use its network on a lease basis.

And as I previously mentioned, Virgin Media are not going to do that, they are focusing on the fujitsu scheme. It is not commercially viable by other means

Ofcom has forced BT to lets other ISP's be allowed to use the BT fiber network, Virgin's fujitsu scheme could work on BT Infinity, will Barbican get BT Infinity as well and is the C&W LLU Network linked to BT Fiber network?

[m419]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Ofcom has forced BT to lets other ISP's be allowed to use the BT fiber network, Virgin's fujitsu scheme could work on BT Infinity, will Barbican get BT Infinity as well and is the C&W LLU Network linked to BT Fiber network?

Yes maybe, but BT can charge what it wants which means it will be too expensive for other providers to offer to residential customers, after all BT has invested its own money into its fibre products, same with Virgin Media, don't see why either of them should open there networks to others companies to use on the cheap. I wouldn't!

As for the former BT cable networks, NTL acquired these for millions in 1999 and then spent a considerable amount of money each year leasing them, therefore BT should upgrade them without any hesitation. It would not be very easy to upgrade the one in Westminster or Barbican, the network in Barbican has been defunct since 2005/2006

[Alan Fry]

Virgin better be quick, Vodapone is planning a £700 million bid for C&W Worldwide, could Virgin afford a £700-800 million bid for C&W Worldwide

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...cable-wireless

Also if Virgin (and others) are planning to use the BT Infinity Network, would it make it easier (for VM to prove Fiber Optic Broadband and IPTV) to serve areas like Barbican, Isle of Dogs, Wesminster and Milton Keynes if they puchased C&W Worldwide?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...e-network.html

[Stephen]

VM won't have to move quick as they aren't interested in purchasing C&W.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Virgin better be quick, Vodapone is planning a £700 million bid for C&W Worldwide, could Virgin afford a £700-800 million bid for C&W Worldwide

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...cable-wireless

Also if Virgin (and others) are planning to use the BT Infinity Network, would it make it easier (for VM to prove Fiber Optic Broadband and IPTV) to serve areas like Barbican, Isle of Dogs, Wesminster and Milton Keynes if they puchased C&W Worldwide?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...e-network.html

You won't let it drop will you?

There is no reason why VM would want to buy them out or merge with them. End of story.

[LexDiamond]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

You won't let it drop will you?

There is no reason why VM would want to buy them out or merge with them. End of story.

Do you really think he is going to get a reality check anytime soon?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

You won't let it drop will you?

There is no reason why VM would want to buy them out or merge with them. End of story.

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Do you really think he is going to get a reality check anytime soon?

I take it "The spam artist" is back again

[m419]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Virgin better be quick, Vodapone is planning a £700 million bid for C&W Worldwide, could Virgin afford a £700-800 million bid for C&W Worldwide

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...cable-wireless

Also if Virgin (and others) are planning to use the BT Infinity Network, would it make it easier (for VM to prove Fiber Optic Broadband and IPTV) to serve areas like Barbican, Isle of Dogs, Wesminster and Milton Keynes if they puchased C&W Worldwide?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...e-network.html

Just so you know, Virgin Media has or had a telephone infrastructure across Westminster,NTL was forced to stop offering the service to residential customers as part of the terms of leasing BT's Cable TV network.

By the way Westminster Cable is still up and running, I know someone who still has Broadband and they are still paying for it and they are still receiving services! Even though Virgin Media said 31st January was the closing date, they also got a letter about 1st April price increases, so what does that say?

That news document does mention that Virgin Media could be interested purely for the coporate customer base

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by m419

Just so you know, Virgin Media has or had a telephone infrastructure across Westminster,NTL was forced to stop offering the service to residential customers as part of the terms of leasing BT's Cable TV network.

By the way Westminster Cable is still up and running, I know someone who still has Broadband and they are still paying for it and they are still receiving services! Even though Virgin Media said 31st January was the closing date, they also got a letter about 1st April price increases, so what does that say?

That news document does mention that Virgin Media could be interested purely for the coporate customer base

But they cannot upgrade the Westminster Cable to Digital Fiber Optic and they plan to shut down the analogue service

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I take it "The spam artist" is back again

I'm afraid so

[m419]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

But they cannot upgrade the Westminster Cable to Digital Fiber Optic and they plan to shut down the analogue service

That's rubbish, they can.

But BT probably want too much money for it.

Westminster City Council has mentioned that it has never had any involvement in Westminster Cable Television. Therefore it remains a dispute between BT and Virgin Media.

I don't think Cable would be popular anyway in the borough, when the service was running a full Analogue service in 1995, records showed that it had 50,000 customers out of a possible 100,000+ as of 2011 it had 2,000 Analogue TV customers which is not enough money to cover the lease even.