General : Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2012) Vol. 2.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Den unless I'm mistaken VM customers have access to around 17 Sky High Definition channels the exception being Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD which I've already stated I believe should be included for VM Sky Sports subscribers , the remaining two Sky Sports F1 HD and Sky Atlantic HD I see no problem with Sky keeping them exclusive after all every platform is entitled to some sort of USP. VM now also offer Sky Anytime content across their platform.

But remember we only got the 17 High Definition channels and the red button through a long winded Ofcom inquiry and it should have learnt Sky the error of their ways but of course Sky being Sky it did not take long for them to find ways around parts of the competition findings as we are clearly seeing now.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Den every firm has exclusive products/channels/content etc , Sky has some of its HD channels whilst VM have TIVO , Film 4 HD and up until the VMTV channel sale Living HD.

Whats the TiVo got to do with the availability of channels as Sky did have a chance to embrace the TiVo but due to their poor judgement failed to see the huge potential of the Tivo STB and they are the poorer for it but getting back to the point of exclusitivity l believe their channels because of their undue influence on the market should be made available to all platforms as a rule and in my opinion Film 4 HD should be available to Sky as part of this non exclusitivity and not just available to Virgin.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by denphone

Whats the TiVo got to do with the availability of channels as Sky did have a chance to embrace the TiVo but due to their poor judgement failed to see the huge potential of the Tivo STB and they are the poorer for it but getting back to the point of exclusitivity l believe their channels because of their undue influence on the market should be made available to all platforms as a rule and in my opinion Film 4 HD should be available to Sky as part of this non exclusitivity and not just available to Virgin.

So the upshot is , it's ok for some companies to have exclusive deals whilst others shouldn't be allowed

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

So the upshot is , it's ok for some companies to have exclusive deals whilst others shouldn't be allowed

l don't believe in certain markets that companies should be allowed to have any exclusitivity and that includes Virgin.

[LexDiamond]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

So the upshot is , it's ok for some companies to have exclusive deals whilst others shouldn't be allowed

Den should ask S1 Tivo users

[denphone]

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Den should ask S1 Tivo users

Oh thy servant bows in front of his master to do his bidding.

[LexDiamond]

Originally Posted by denphone

Oh thy servant bows in front of his master to do his bidding.

Nice way to side step reality

[denphone]

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Nice way to side step reality

Not really because as l have explained to MM l don't believe in certain markets there should be any exclusitivity.

[LexDiamond]

Originally Posted by denphone

Not really because as l have explained to MM l don't believe in certain markets there should be any exclusitivity.

But there is so not really sure why its bad when one company does it and not bad when another does it.

[MaverickJesus]

Given Sky's deal with ITV was signed August 2010 and the channels launched in October 2010, that should give you a good idea of when some movement might occur on VMs part (assuming it was a 2 year deal, which fits in with what the Smallworld guy was implying).

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Den should ask S1 Tivo users

About what? Sorry. Not sure what your point was. (Former S1 owner here )

[LexDiamond]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

About what? Sorry. Not sure what your point was. (Former S1 owner here )

It was an example of how VM also use their market position to influence the market. S1 Tivo users would most probably still have a service had it not been for VM.

[carlwaring]

Maybe. The evidence for that is entirely circumstantial.

[andy_m]

I have no problem with suppliers keeping certain things exclusively to themselves-if they all offered the same services then all they'd have to compete on would be price. The phrase "race to the bottom" has been heavily used in recent days, but when companies compete on price it's inevitable that quality suffers.

The fact is that Virgin and Sky primarily offer their customers different things, after all, it's not like Virgin have allowed Sky to resell their broadband, is it.

[Chad]

Does anyone know if Channel 4seven will be in HD from launch?