Unstoppable migration?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Osem

Nah they're far too busy feathering their own luxurious nests and combining lecturing the rest of us on generosity of spirit with yet more PR opportunities to boost their own egos.

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Yes but he flew out a couple of families to Rome remember. Such selflessness...

You're right and it's another thing of which the British public have had a guts full. Change is gonna come

[techguyone]

For change to come, you need something different to what has gone before, what would that be?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

It takes a lot to make someone leave a country. Nazi Germany was obviously far worse than anything we're seeing here and yet there were many persecuted groups who remained until it was too late. There are costs involved, the emotional distress of leaving your home and life, family ties and more.

Conditions in Nazi Germany were a tad different from those prevailing here and people were prevented from moving on a massive scale. That was still happening in the post WWII years between E and W Germany. It's never been easier for migrants to move within the EU and accordingly they've chosen to come here in huge numbers. If these people agree with the like of the Guardian that the UK is a hostile place to be then there's very little stopping them leaving to go back and every reason for them not to come here in the first place. The numbers prove that's not happening so maybe the UK isn't the hotbed of right wing extremism that some folks seem waste no opportunity portraying it as. There are costs emotional and financial costs involved in everything. That's life and ever increasing numbers of people are deciding that life in the UK is worth all that. The UK is far from perfect but there's a great deal more racism and right wing extremism either endemic or growing fast across Europe than there is here.

Yep the way some talk you'd think we had gangs of brownshirts walking the streets clubbing anyone that looks like an immigrant and getting together in town\city centres to burn some books. The often mentioned thing is the supposed increase in reports of racially motivated attacks following brexit and that was proof that we were closet right wingers. I'd be curious how many of those reports ever went further then the report stage and i doubt the number would be very high.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by techguyone

For change to come, you need something different to what has gone before, what would that be?

Celebrity luvvies (and their ilk) will be stomped on by Leave voters who are to be issued with new jackboots for the purpose. Zat vill change things for gut

Originally Posted by Osem

Conditions in Nazi Germany were a tad different from those prevailing here and people were prevented from moving on a massive scale. That was still happening in the post WWII years between E and W Germany. It's never been easier for migrants to move within the EU and accordingly they've chosen to come here in huge numbers. If these people agree with the like of the Guardian that the UK is a hostile place to be then there's very little stopping them leaving to go back and every reason for them not to come here in the first place. The numbers prove that's not happening so maybe the UK isn't the hotbed of right wing extremism that some folks seem waste no opportunity portraying it as. There are costs emotional and financial costs involved in everything. That's life and ever increasing numbers of people are deciding that life in the UK is worth all that. The UK is far from perfect but there's a great deal more racism and right wing extremism either endemic or growing fast across Europe than there is here.

The point about the Nazis wasn't to compare scale but that even the most extreme circumstances people don't always leave their homes. In Germany they did have chances to leave but many didn't (ditto East Germany btw, before the wall) and then it was eventually too late when they made it harder. There is an intense human instinct to remain where you've built your life. When you say there is little stopping them leaving it's true logically but not emotionally. People put up with a lot.

I agree with you that the UK doesn't have as big a problem with racism as some other countries in Europe although I would caution that as White Britons we're not in a great position to make such judgements. I don't think we're a hotbed of right wing extremism but I do think it's a problem we need to keep an eye on. Part of the reason for it is we're vigilant about it, people are quick to call out. We should remain so and so rather than compare ourselves to other nations we should compare to our own values and if we seem someone acting against that then we put a stop to it.

The Brexit vote was not racist. Most Brexit voters are not racist. There did seem to be an increase in xenophobic incidents after the referendum because some people are stupid and thought it meant something it didn't. Brexiters or Remainers these people needed to be clear they were in a minority and they do not have likeminded friends in either camp.

[Ramrod]

Migrant Arrested After Rape and Murder of EU Official’s Teen Daughter

An investigation determined the daughter of a senior European Commission lawyer had been raped, and then drowned.

The subsequent investigation into the death of Miss Ladenburger was spurred on, Die Welt reports, by intense public interest in the case and pressure being placed on police to find the rapist. After 68 detectives followed a reported 1,600 leads and interviewed 1,400 potential witnesses the 17 year old migrant was arrested, as revealed by police in a press conference on Saturday.

Although the arrested man has not been named, it has been revealed he is a recent arrival to the country, having come to Germany from Afghanistan as an asylum seeker in 2015. Police said the man had a previous criminal record, having been investigated for “illegal entry”

[Osem]

Tragic. Sadly it's not the first and won't be the last example of a 'refugee' repaying their hosts in this manner and their victims are the collateral damage of a flawed system which allows plenty of people in but clearly doesn't provide the means to support them. We're admitting all sorts of people into our western society, some of whom are highly dubious characters who have been involved in criminal activity and other highly unpleasant behaviour that we certainly don't need more of here. No, it's not always their fault either - we can't blame, for example, young boys who've been turned into killers by extremists of one sort of another but what resources are going to be available to these damaged individuals when they get here? Have the resources allocated to mental health treatment and associated services in the UK ever been under greater pressure? I'd submit the epidemic of suicides amongst young men is testament to the scale of the problem and the lack of help available to our own citizens let alone anyone else. It's all very well giving refuge to needy or traumatised people but unless huge extra resources are made available to treat them over quite possibly many years, we're just storing up more trouble. As it is, once again it's our existing needy who bear the brunt of the pressure on scare resources not the professional do-gooders and maybe that explains the growing resentment we're seeing across Europe.

[heero_yuy]

The situation is worse than it first appears, although net migration into the UK is around 350,000 what were actually seeing is the departure of healthy, law abiding UK citizens to be replaced by over 650,000 potentially less healthy and law abiding immigrants annually.

No wonder our social services and NHS are buckling.

Add in that a recent report said what many of us have known for a while that immigrant communities segregate themselves from the wider british society and that will create more problems in the future. Most immigration systems that are in place in western countries were just not designed to handle the level we are currently experiencing and a brake needs to be applied till we can get a system in place. Any crime by an immigrant should mean automatic deportation with the host country deciding if it's before or after a custodial sentence as they are clearly not the type of person any decent country wants.

[Osem]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said the wearing of full-faced veils should be prohibited in the country "wherever it is legally possible".
At a meeting of her CDU party, she backed a burka ban in schools, courts and other state buildings.
It is widely accepted that a total ban would violate Germany's constitution.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38226081

Sounds very right wing xenophobic to me after that nice 'welcome to all' which was such a good idea at the time...

[Taf]

Election time looming for her...... so she is trying to appease those swinging to the right...

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

There was a feature about this on the BBC earlier today that said that there is also evidence to show that they are no longer prepared to do the hard to fill vacancies in the UK eg fruit picking.


[snip]

Of course they won't, our soft councils give them free housing and the benefits sytem gives them mega handouts that the likes of you and I can only dream about.

They are supposed to stop at the first country they come that can house them, last time I checked to get here means coming through/past Greece, Italy, Germany, France, Belgium etc....

...or they could of course go to those great examples of Muslim hospitality like say Saudi Arabia.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I read in one newspaper today, that in one part of the UK. Romanian Gangs are terrorising a City so much that the City is divided.

Now we take the migrants into this country. And this is how they treat the UK

Not sure what newspaper - but it was todays.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Add in that a recent report said what many of us have known for a while that immigrant communities segregate themselves from the wider british society and that will create more problems in the future.

Report on paper today (one of the free online main titles) that some Muslim community leader says that it's the responsibility of the white British people to integrate themselves into the immigrant community.

Really? You chose to come here, don't like it, leave.

While living here you adopt our customs and laws.