Post-Brexit Thread - Page 106

Ignitionnet · 07-09-2016, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Indeed. We get one chance at this, let's do it right!
......and I do wish that the remoaners would stop trying to undermine things. You lost! Deal with it! Move on FFS!

This is both a new and exciting point of view, so as per I'll defer to Ian Hislop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyyOyoeqKfM

I can say with confidence there is absolutely no way that if the result were reversed there wouldn't be people continuing to make the argument to leave... as is their right.

As far as having one chance to do it and doing it right, beyond leaving the EU we seem to be no closer to knowing what it is we're actually doing. The Government, specifically referring to David Davis' abysmal performance in the Commons yesterday, alongside his being shot down over his determination to leave the single market and the farce over a points-based immigration system, something the head of Migration Watch said was a dumb idea I might add, indicate they have no idea yet either.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Funnily enough, it's the more rabid Brexiteers who are clamouring for a rapid result...

I'm finding myself increasingly clamouring for, well, something.

The excuses about giving away the negotiating position are absurd. There isn't a negotiating position yet, and in all honesty it's likely they'll spend months allegedly listening to stakeholders, then take whatever course is most politically expedient and doesn't threaten party funding.

Happy to be proven wrong however I very much doubt this will be done the right way, I suspect it will, at least initially, be done in the way considered most likely to win votes.

Maybe we should return control over important constitutional issues to the Queen. With this one we've ended up with a referendum that's being used as an example of how not to do one and a government not prepared to implement it.

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“This report shows without a shadow of a doubt just how dire the EU referendum debate really was. There were glaring democratic deficiencies in the run-up to the vote, with the public feeling totally ill-informed. Both sides were viewed as highly negative by voters, while the top-down, personality-based nature of the debate failed to address major policies and issues, leaving the public in the dark.

“It offered a stark contrast to the vibrant, well-informed, grassroots conversation of the Scottish independence vote – a referendum that left a lasting legacy of on-going public participation in politics and public life.

“From a campaign period that was too short to foster a decent debate, to the fact that misleading claims could be made with total impunity, there are so many lessons to be learned – and this report lays out both the facts and the way forward.

“Now that the dust is starting to settle after the EU referendum, we need a complete rethink about the role of referendums in the UK. They are becoming more common, but the piecemeal nature of the how, when and why they’re done means we could simply end up jumping from referendum to referendum at the whim of politicians.

“It’s time for a root and branch review of referendums, learning the lessons of the EU campaign to make sure the mistakes that were made in terms of regulation, tone and conduct are never repeated. Let’s make sure that future referendums guarantee the lively and well-informed discussion that voters deserve.”

**Hugh** · 07-09-2016, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Indeed. We get one chance at this, let's do it right!
......and I do wish that the remoaners would stop trying to undermine things. You lost! Deal with it! Move on FFS!

Ah, the old 'bridge building' technique...

I did not comment on Brexit progress, I just pointed out that most of those complaining about a perceived lack of progress came from the Brexit camp, and suddenly it becomes all about people who voted Remain.

You are Donald Trump*, and I claim my £10...

*responding to a point that wasn't made, and making a response that wasn't relevant to the point that was made...

TheDaddy · 08-09-2016, 01:23

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Indeed. We get one chance at this, let's do it right!
......and I do wish that the remoaners would stop trying to undermine things. You lost! Deal with it! Move on FFS!

You only like democracy when the vote favours your favoured position, it's a free country where people can have an opinion, deal with it

Osem · 12-09-2016, 16:31

The name Goldman Sachs does seem to crop up quite a lot:

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The European Commission is seeking "clarifications" from its former president, Jose Manuel Barroso, about his controversial job at Goldman Sachs.
Last week the European Ombudsman voiced concerns to European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker about Mr Barroso's new role at the US investment bank. Part of that role will involve advising Goldman Sachs about Brexit.
An EU expert panel will assess whether it conforms with EU ethical standards.
Mr Barroso joined the bank in July.
He headed the EU executive from 2004-2014 and worked closely with ex-financial services commissioner Michel Barnier, a French politician named as a lead negotiator on the terms for UK withdrawal from the EU.
French President Francois Hollande called Mr Barroso's appointment "morally unacceptable", saying Goldman Sachs was implicated in the US sub-prime mortgage scandal that caused the 2008 financial crash and in helping Greece to mask the true size of its debts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37337918

They may moan now but how many of them will join Barroso with their snouts in the GS trough?...

TheDaddy · 12-09-2016, 16:42

Ms Rudd admitted British people would be "surprised" to learn the free and easy travel they've enjoyed for decades is now on peril

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7236786.html

Shouldn't have been a surprise if the referendum had been conducted in an adult way by grown ups

papa smurf · 12-09-2016, 17:57

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Ms Rudd admitted British people would be "surprised" to learn the free and easy travel they've enjoyed for decades is now on peril

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7236786.html

Shouldn't have been a surprise if the referendum had been conducted in an adult way by grown ups

it was you probably blinked and missed that bit

TheDaddy · 12-09-2016, 20:05

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

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it was you probably blinked and missed that bit

Correct I probably did blink and miss the bit where they were behaving like adults, you know things like having rational discussions, not telling lies, debating facts, you must know the kinda stuff grown ups get up to, well maybe you don't know but anyway I wonder what other surprises will rear up to shock the public.

techguyone · 12-09-2016, 20:09

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Correct I probably did blink and miss the bit where they were behaving like adults, you know things like having rational discussions, not telling lies, debating facts, you must know the kinda stuff grown ups get up to, well maybe you don't know but anyway I wonder what other surprises will rear up to shock the public.

None, because like many other people I voted on my experiences over the last 40+ years, not on 5 minutes of politik talk

Osem · 12-09-2016, 20:49

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Originally Posted by techguyone

None, because like many other people I voted on my experiences over the last 40+ years, not on 5 minutes of politik talk

Yup, not really that difficult...

Ignitionnet · 13-09-2016, 00:02

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Correct I probably did blink and miss the bit where they were behaving like adults, you know things like having rational discussions, not telling lies, debating facts, you must know the kinda stuff grown ups get up to, well maybe you don't know but anyway I wonder what other surprises will rear up to shock the public.

He reads the Express. How could he?

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Originally Posted by techguyone

None, because like many other people I voted on my experiences over the last 40+ years, not on 5 minutes of politik talk

40+ years of being misinformed isn't any better than 10+ years of it. In this instance quite the opposite given scapegoating the EU was a hobby of both media and many in Parliament. I know I blamed the EU for a whole bunch of things that weren't actually related, but then that's the way the politicians here wanted it.

Very few of us were really able to give an educated opinion but ran with our entrenched bias, for better or worse.

Either way experience and facts are unfortunately different things.

TheDaddy · 13-09-2016, 01:00

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Originally Posted by techguyone

None, because like many other people I voted on my experiences over the last 40+ years, not on 5 minutes of politik talk

You were expecting visas and charges then?

techguyone · 13-09-2016, 08:09

@TheDaddy - Yes, I'd also expect anything else that existed pre EU union too, kiss goodbye to your free roaming across the EU as well most likely.

TheDaddy · 13-09-2016, 08:36

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Originally Posted by techguyone

@TheDaddy - Yes, I'd also expect anything else that existed pre EU union too, kiss goodbye to your free roaming across the EU as well most likely.

Wonder why to quote ms rudd it's come to such a surprise to people then

techguyone · 13-09-2016, 08:47

No idea, after all if you're not in the club, you don't enjoy the benefits of membership, shouldn't be too difficult to grasp.

Then again, some people want the moon on a stick, for me, I'm happy to hand in my EU badge and lose my EU rights, of course I'll be gaining my sovereign rights instead, it's just a substitution.

**Hugh** · 13-09-2016, 14:34

All we need now is the VAT removed from home fuel bills, £350 million a week more on the NHS, immigration to go down, and everything will be rosy....