Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The legislation will have to be enshrined into British law to start off with. How much it changes after this depends on the deal we do with the EU. If we want to trade as barrier-free as possible, then we will have to have harmonised legislation or we will be at an unfair advantage to them. But if we are willing to accept barriers, then we can alter it more. We will need to keep our options open by not amending it at first.

Good sense will prevail. Taking back control is straigtforward enough (provided there are enough civil servants); it's the face-saving and ego problems that are the real threat. The posturing is already underway.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Good sense will prevail. Taking back control is straigtforward enough (provided there are enough civil servants); it's the face-saving and ego problems that are the real threat. The posturing is already underway.

If you follow the business world, you can work out what to expect. So we can expect tariff-free imports and exports of goods but services which require more harmonised legislation look unlikely to be accepted. That's why the banks are moving thousands of jobs to the EU.
The issue is that manufactured goods are Germany's strengths and services the UK's.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Which is what Mick said so moving on, The Great Repeal Bill - is this a potential stumbling block? Is it best to just enshrine all eu law into British law and amend it later if needs be rather than tinker with it along the way?

Yes

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...at-repeal-bill

By yes I was answering the second part of you post so NO it will not be a stumbling block. It has to happen to extricate ourselves.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

But you're still insisting that we keep one foot in the door. No thanks, leave means leave. Not halves in or let's keep the door ajar.

Exactly. It's really quite clear what the intention was and those who couldn't decide and left the vote to others can't complain about being left out if they don't now like the result.

The negotiations will clearly try to achieve the best for the UK but it's impossible to reconcile the desires of many a remainer for us to stay part of the single market without staying in the EU so I'm afraid they're going to have to accept the fact just like the Scots have to accept that the EU isn't going to wave them straight into the club if they vote for independence.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

But you're still insisting that we keep one foot in the door. No thanks, leave means leave. Not halves in or let's keep the door ajar.

That' s not really what Mother Theresa's letter implied, seven times in her 6 page letter she mentioned a 'deep and special relationship'. Take out a couple of lines and it could almost have been an application letter to join !

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Did you read the Government's White Paper that acknowledged we had sovereignty?

People voted in or out, nothing more and nothing less. The leave campaign promised many, many things including extra money for the NHS
We've had this debate before and Damien did his best to explain it. If he wasn't able to get his point across back then, then I know I won't be able to now.

The things I mentioned were the core principles of Leave. Anyone who voted should have understood that. I Understood the core principles of Remain.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

but none of those things were on the ballot paper

I've posted this before, as an example, addressing this issue. People who didn't understand the core aims of Leave, weren't paying attention to the debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dghdvVbtowM

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

That' s not really what Mother Theresa's letter implied, seven times in her 6 page letter she mentioned a 'deep and special relationship'. Take out a couple of lines and it could almost have been an application letter to join !

Exactly. I think some people try and project their beliefs into what the Government is doing when the available evidence suggests otherwise. I guess it's what makes us human.

Meanwhile, the Government needs to get a move on with resolving the rights of EU citizens who are living and working here. EU nationals already being denied mortgages "due to Brexit" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7657941.html

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly. I think some people try and project their beliefs into what the Government is doing when the available evidence suggests otherwise. I guess it's what makes us human.

Meanwhile, the Government needs to get a move on with resolving the rights of EU citizens who are living and working here. EU nationals already being denied mortgages "due to Brexit" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7657941.html

is the lesser eu doing any thing to protect our citizens living over there

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Meanwhile, the Government needs to get a move on with resolving the rights of EU citizens who are living and working here. EU nationals already being denied mortgages "due to Brexit" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7657941.html

The EU needs to get a move on... The British government offered to get it sorted several weeks ago, and were rebuffed by the EU.


BTW, the Leave campaign wanted EU Citizens in the UK to have automatic rights, straight after the Referendum.

Originally Posted by Mr K

That' s not really what Mother Theresa's letter implied, seven times in her 6 page letter she mentioned a 'deep and special relationship'. Take out a couple of lines and it could almost have been an application letter to join !

This is where again, you have issues interpreting stuff and getting it totally wrong.

We're leaving the EU but we are still in Europe, hence the basis to still have some relationship but not one where a corrupted union tells us how to run our borders, laws, taxes and the odd silly laws that have come about over the years from the EU.

Finally, I find it disrespectful of you mocking the dead, it is Theresa May, so pack it in.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

BTW, the Leave campaign wanted EU Citizens in the UK to have automatic rights, straight after the Referendum.

They made lots of promises but this is one promise they should have carried out unilaterally.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

This is where again, you have issues interpreting stuff and getting it totally wrong.

We're leaving the EU but we are still in Europe, hence the basis to still have some relationship but not one where a corrupted union tells us how to run our borders, laws, taxes and the odd silly laws that have come about over the years from the EU.

Finally, I find it disrespectful of you mocking the dead, it is Theresa May, so pack it in.

Mrs May to you Michael

[Osem]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The EU needs to get a move on... The British government offered to get it sorted several weeks ago, and were rebuffed by the EU.


BTW, the Leave campaign wanted EU Citizens in the UK to have automatic rights, straight after the Referendum.

Don't let facts get in the way of yet another anti-government rant eh?

Originally Posted by passingbat

The EU needs to get a move on... The British government offered to get it sorted several weeks ago, and were rebuffed by the EU.


BTW, the Leave campaign wanted EU Citizens in the UK to have automatic rights, straight after the Referendum.

and rightly so ,several weeks ago we hadn't told the EU we were leaving .GB jumped the gun .It may seem pedantic but in the world of national diplomacy there is a specific order to follow and in this case officially telling the EU we are leaving is always going to precede any deals done for the rights of EU citizens

[1andrew1]

No surprise to anyone who's followed what France and Germany were saying in the months after the Brexit vote. Not sure what the UK can do about this so I'd welcome hearing any negotiating tips that will change the EU 27's minds.

European leaders will formally reject British demands to hold trade talks at the same time as negotiating the terms of the UK’s ‘divorce’ from the EU, leaving both sides heading for an early stand-off in the Brexit talks.

The hardline EU response will be outlined in draft negotiating guidelines that will be distributed by the European Council to the remaining 27 member states at a closed-door meeting in Brussels.

Theresa May’s request that the terms of the future UK-EU partnership be negotiated “alongside” the terms of the divorce – rejected by the German chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday - was shot down again on Thursday, this time by the outgoing French president, Francois Hollande.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...xit-timetable/