June 8th General Election

[ianch99]

May did ok, better than on previous TV outings but Corbyn did better: he looked more confident and relaxed than May.

I would never vote for Corbyn but I feel more people are now contemplating it. Enough to give Mother Teresa a shock on Thursday.

I had expected her to get ~100 seat majority but now she will struggle to reach 20+ I feel.

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Originally Posted by Mick

You're always being one sided Mr K. i.e. not telling the whole story or just telling a part that suits your negative agenda.

Do you not feel that you also are always one sided?

Originally Posted by ianch99

Do you not feel that you also are always one sided?

Nope. I have criticised where it is due. I was critical just last night about the Tory campaign, it's in this very thread.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's clear that although you can attempt to balance an audience young liberals are louder than older conservatives. Or maybe the insurgents, the challengers, are louder? Nats were louder in the Independence referendum debates and Leavers were louder in Brexit debates.

There did seem to a number of young people not quite fans of Corbyn. So this idea he has the younger votes may be exaggerated, in actual fact a young lady asked if abolishing Tuition fees is an answer when there is more pressing issues.

Originally Posted by Mick

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There did seem to a number of young people not quite fans of Corbyn. So this idea he has the younger votes may be exaggerated, in actual fact a young lady asked if abolishing Tuition fees is an answer when there is more pressing issues.

I think that's just a function of the attempt to balance the audience. Corbyn is polling (yeah, I know) quite high with young people as Labour traditionally do. Those closer polls are based on a model where they actually turn out this time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think that's just a function of the attempt to balance the audience. Corbyn is polling (yeah, I know) quite high with young people as Labour traditionally do. Those closer polls are based on a model where they actually turn out this time.

That's the big question. If polling patterns by age continue, then Theresa May gets her big majority. If polling patterns alter with more voting from younger people, her majority will be somewhat slimmer.
Interesting times.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's clear that although you can attempt to balance an audience young liberals are louder than older conservatives. Or maybe the insurgents, the challengers, are louder? Nats were louder in the Independence referendum debates and Leavers were louder in Brexit debates.

Yes, challengers have more to gain than incumbents by definition.

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Another day, but more of the same poor shows from the big three parties.

Another U-Turn from Theresa Maybe. http://www.independent.co.uk/

Jeremy Corbyn gets his act together too late in the day.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7770286.html

And Tim Farron fails to clarify his views on whether homosexuality is a sin.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3555256.html

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Corbyn's cheers are getting louder.
LOL it's getting to the stage where he gets cheered for just showing his face.

The company that chooses audiences has admitted that they have been conned into using hard left supporters posing as conservatives.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

The company that chooses audiences has admitted that they have been conned into using hard left supporters posing as conservatives.

Not a surprise. How could you really be sure someone isn't lying to the pollster? You have a link?

Originally Posted by Damien

Not a surprise. How could you really be sure someone isn't lying to the pollster? You have a link?

The Presidential debates in the US audiences are not allowed to clap or cheer. Except at beginning and end.

The UK debates here need to have some same control of their audiences. They can get annoying when people who shout etc or cheer.

But in all honesty, I don't think TVs debates are worthy.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not a surprise. How could you really be sure someone isn't lying to the pollster? You have a link?

Nothing on Comres's Twitter feed nor any news websites I've visited. Is it because it's a Saturday or it's fake news?
https://twitter.com/ComRes

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not a surprise. How could you really be sure someone isn't lying to the pollster? You have a link?

Telegraph paywall

Senior polling experts have admitted privately that they are aware of groups of Labour activists, some led by grassroots Corbyn support group Momentum, encouraging his supporters to sign up for political debates posing as Conservatives in order to make it look like Labour has won the debate.

Sources have told The Telegraph that it is a particular problem among Labour supporters and that traditional screening processes which are supposed to weed out fake supporters are not working.

the BBC has confirmed that it does use an open-ended online form, the riskiest kind of recruitment if you want to avoid bias, experts warned.

I would be suspicious of that or at least wondering what exactly they're referring to because the audiences for these debates were selected by Comres:

Andrew Hawkins, the founder of polling company ComRes which selected the audience for the seven-way debate earlier this week, said the firm uses rigorous selection methods to weed out fakes.

But he added that "it would be foolish to say that it could never happen", even given the strictest tests. He added that ComRes does not rely on "open recruiting" where a simple online form is used.

But the BBC has confirmed that it does use an open-ended online form, the riskiest kind of recruitment if you want to avoid bias, experts warned.

I think the latter must be the normal Question Time audiences rather than the ones selected for the debate.

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Saw an interesting theory that said Brexit has helped Labour because it shifts the debate away from the deficit, it gives a credible avenue out of discussions about immigration and it's killed UKIP. This could have been a winnable election under another leader (of course May wouldn't have called one in such circumstances).

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Survation / MAil on Sunday Poll conducted this morning (ie after QT):
Con 40 (-6%)
Lab 39 (+5%)
LD 8%
UKIP 5 %
Others 9%

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

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Survation / MAil on Sunday Poll conducted this morning (ie after QT):
Con 40 (-6%)
Lab 39 (+5%)
LD 8%
UKIP 5 %
Others 9%

Squeaky bum time perhaps?.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by denphone

Squeaky bum time perhaps?.

yep sure is for the nasty party

I'm beginning to think the polls are rigged by the Tories to motivate voters at this point.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

yep sure is for the nasty party

According to whatever political leanings someone has it seems the other party are the nasty party according to their view..