Hamas Israel War

Originally Posted by jfman

Now, now. Even a rogue state generally has basic elements that Ukraine lack. Control over it's borders, a volunteer army, fully independent domestic and foreign policy, the pretence of democracy and a pluralist media.

Langley's puppet regime in Kiev can only dream of the status of a rogue state.

If you’re a hacker cosplaying jfman you need to tone it down a bit, even he’s not generally this unhinged

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Now, now. Even a rogue state generally has basic elements that Ukraine lack. Control over it's borders, a volunteer army, fully independent domestic and foreign policy, the pretence of democracy and a pluralist media.

Langley's puppet regime in Kiev can only dream of the status of a rogue state.

Sorry, I just thought that a nation defending itself from attack and enacting its right to exist, was now under the umbrella definition of “rogue state”. As seen to be implied by previous posts.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Sorry, I just thought that a nation defending itself from attack and enacting its right to exist, was now under the umbrella definition of “rogue state”. As seen to be implied by previous posts.

Come back to us when the UN accuses them of genocide.

Gaza war: UN rights expert accuses Israel of acts of genocide

A UN human rights expert says she believes Israel has committed "acts of genocide" in Gaza.

Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, presented her report to UN member states in Geneva on Tuesday.

But Israel has already dismissed her findings.

This comes amid growing international pressure on Israel to stop the war or to do much more to protect civilians.

Ms Albanese concluded that "there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the crime of genocide against Palestinians as a group in Gaza has been met".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68667556

Originally Posted by jfman

Now, now. Even a rogue state generally has basic elements that Ukraine lack. Control over it's borders, a volunteer army, fully independent domestic and foreign policy, the pretence of democracy and a pluralist media.

Langley's puppet regime in Kiev can only dream of the status of a rogue state.

Speaking of states that don’t have a volunteer army and a pluralist media, how is your favourite state, Russia?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Come back to us when the UN accuses them of genocide.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68667556

The UN has not accused them of genocide, an UN employee has. You know the same UN that had actual other UN employees taking part in the Oct 7th Massacre.

It carries about as much weight as you accusing them of genocide.

If the UN actually declared a genocide was, or had, taken place (and they've only done that 3 times Serbia, Rwanda & Cambodia) signatories to the UN convention of genocide would be obligated to put Blue caps on their military and put a stop to it, and arrest those committing the genocide and bring them to the Hague.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The UN has not accused them of genocide, an UN employee has. You know the same UN that had actual other UN employees taking part in the Oct 7th Massacre.

It carries about as much weight as you accusing them of genocide.

If the UN actually declared a genocide was, or had, taken place (and they've only done that 3 times Serbia, Rwanda & Cambodia) signatories to the UN convention of genocide would be obligated to put Blue caps on their military and put a stop to it, and arrest those committing the genocide and bring them to the Hague.

Is there any evidence that UN employees took part or can I chalk that up alongside the beheaded babies as an Israeli myth?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Is there any evidence that UN employees took part or can I chalk that up alongside the beheaded babies as an Israeli myth?

https://unwatch.org/evidence-of-unrw...r-october-7th/

Do what you want with it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...no-evidence-un

A month after Israeli allegations that a dozen United Nations staff were involved in the 7 October Hamas attack, UN investigators have yet to receive any evidence from Israel to support the claims, though they expect some material to be forthcoming “shortly”.

The allegations against the 12 employees of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine (UNRWA) led 16 major donors to suspend contributions totalling $450m at a time when more than 2 million Gazans are facing famine. UNRWA says it is approaching “breaking point” and only has sufficient funds to continue functioning for the next month at most.

The UN Office of Internal Oversight Services (OIOS) launched an investigation on 29 January in the wake of the Israeli allegations initially presented to UNRWA in January, and delivered an update on its work to the UN secretary general, António Guterres, on Wednesday.

Diplomats who saw the OIOS preliminary report said it contained no new evidence from Israel since the initial presentation of the claims in January – which were not backed by any proof. In summarising the findings, the UN spokesperson, Stéphane Dujarric, confirmed that the investigation had yet to receive corroborating material from Israel.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The UN has not accused them of genocide, an UN employee has. You know the same UN that had actual other UN employees taking part in the Oct 7th Massacre.

It carries about as much weight as you accusing them of genocide.

If the UN actually declared a genocide was, or had, taken place (and they've only done that 3 times Serbia, Rwanda & Cambodia) signatories to the UN convention of genocide would be obligated to put Blue caps on their military and put a stop to it, and arrest those committing the genocide and bring them to the Hague.

I'll reword it. Come back to me when a UN rights expert accuses them ie Ukraine of genocide.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'll reword it. Come back to me when a UN rights expert accuses them ie Ukraine of genocide.

Why would they? NATO taking pot shots at the Kersch bridge in Russian Crimea and other bite of energy infrastructure might be poor form but it's not starving hundreds of thousands of people.

Originally Posted by Pierre

https://unwatch.org/evidence-of-unrw...r-october-7th/

Do what you want with it.

None of that is proof. There is no evidence presented just a series of statements.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Why would they? NATO taking pot shots at the Kersch bridge in Russian Crimea and other bite of energy infrastructure might be poor form but it's not starving hundreds of thousands of people.

Just to be clear, this should read:

Ukraine taking pot shots at the Kersch bridge in Occupied Crimea

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy

None of that is proof. There is no evidence presented just a series of statements.

Eyewitness statements are evidence.

Photos are evidence.

Videos are evidence.

I will agree that it needs to be corroborated, you can't accept it all at face value, as I wouldn't accept anything from Hamas at face value.

Originally Posted by jfman

Why would they? NATO taking pot shots at the Kersch bridge in Russian Crimea and other bite of energy infrastructure might be poor form but it's not starving hundreds of thousands of people.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Eyewitness statements are evidence.

Photos are evidence.

Videos are evidence.

Are there any where the primary source isn't discredited (Israel). I remind everyone, once again, that the claims of 40 beheaded babies didn't happen.