Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

no we would have still left its what people voted for no deal was ever going to be good enough .

You even think she would have faffed around with a vote? She would have better things to get on with than that!

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mr K

We can have sovereignty, for sure, not that we ever lost it.

Of course not; we could have said no to unlimited EU immigration any time we chose and told the ECJ to, 'Go take a running jump', whilst being members of the EU.


How misguided I have been!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You even think she would have faffed around with a vote? She would have better things to get on with than that!

we call it democracy not faffing around .

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Of course not; we could have said no to unlimited EU immigration any time we chose and told the ECJ to, 'Go take a running jump', whilst being members of the EU.


How misguided I have been!

There's rules to every club, but having sovereignty means you can leave the club be it the WTO, NATO or the EU.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

we call it democracy not faffing around .

I confer to your better judgment on what Smurfs call it.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There's rules to every club, but having sovereignty means you can leave the club be it the WTO, NATO or the EU.

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I confer to your better judgment on what Smurfs call it.

i meant normal people refer to a vote as democratic not "faffing around" ,its clear remain consider democracy as something that got in the way .

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There's rules to every club, but having sovereignty means you can leave the club be it the WTO, NATO or the EU.

We should not join any club that robs us of complete control over taxes, laws and border control/immigration. Cooperation, is a different situation.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i meant normal people refer to a vote as democratic not "faffing around" ,its clear remain consider democracy as something that got in the way .

I was talking about Lady Thatcher. I just can't see her holding a referendum on things.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

We should not join any club that robs us of complete control over taxes, laws and border control/immigration. Cooperation, is a different situation.

The fact that we can leave these organisations means we have sovereignty.

We can never have full control over these areas unless we leave every organisation. eg membership of the WTO will prevent us having full control of taxes.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The fact that we can leave these organisations means we have sovereignty.

We can never have full control over these areas unless we leave every organisation. eg membership of the WTO will prevent us having full control of taxes.

The fact that leaving the EU is so monstrously difficult demonstrates that our sovereignty has de facto been seriously impinged upon. One more substantial treaty and the right to leave the union may have become purely theoretical. Already the famous Gina Miller has complained that Art.50 was never designed to be actually used.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think the more unhelpful Tories need to think twice about making stupid pronouncements from the sidelines making it more difficult for their own leader. Howard has no role in Government and yet feels free to go on TV and make stupid comments about war. Same with comments about yachts, passports and other trivia. May must feel surrounded by children liable to making messes she then has to clean up.

Since he has no role in government maybe the media ought to report what he said (if they're going to bother at all) making that point quite clear and not exaggerating his influence and extrapolating it to govt. policy.

I must say Farron banging on about the damage being done to the UK by HMG being undermined in this manner is laughable - he's been doing nothing but undermining the Brexit process ever since he lost the argument,

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Originally Posted by Chris

The fact that leaving the EU is so monstrously difficult demonstrates that our sovereignty has de facto been seriously impinged upon. One more substantial treaty and the right to leave the union may have become purely theoretical. Already the famous Gina Miller has complained that Art.50 was never designed to be actually used.

Sometimes Andrew i think you deliberately ignore what people mean to further your point i never said trump was anti globalist i said the voters were and showed that at the first chance they had trump benefitted from that. He was a very large protest vote attractor for people to show their utter frustration and fatigue of a political type that has no interest in people only their blinkered agenda. I will now leave this thread as nothing new of any substance has occured and the constant retreading of the same old rubbish is getting more then a bit boring and i can do without the rambling doom and gloom constantly peddled by a few members of this forum.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Sometimes Andrew i think you deliberately ignore what people mean to further your point i never said trump was anti globalist i said the voters were and showed that at the first chance they had trump benefitted from that. He was a very large protest vote attractor for people to show their utter frustration and fatigue of a political type that has no interest in people only their blinkered agenda. I will now leave this thread as nothing new of any substance has occured and the constant retreading of the same old rubbish is getting more then a bit boring and i can do without the rambling doom and gloom constantly peddled by a few members of this forum.

I totally agree with you that Trump was a protest vote and that many of his supporters felt ignored by existing politicians.
What I pointed out was that multinational shares have performed well since Trump came to power so the theory you put forward "and if you doubt it slows anything just look at what's happened with the brexit and trump votes" seems invalid as nothing seems to be being slowed down.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I totally agree with you that Trump was a protest vote .

Not by Evangelical Christians it wasn't. Nor from the Heartlands, who had seen manufacturing depleted

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Not by Evangelical Christians it wasn't. Nor from the Heartlands, who had seen manufacturing depleted

Hey, cut us some slack, Rizzy and I were just agreeing on something!

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hey, cut us some slack, Rizzy and I were just agreeing on something!

I have to keep an eye on you Bilderbergers I can't have you lulling us into a false sense of security, and then end up, down the line, believing that black is really white, now can I?

Originally Posted by Osem

Since he has no role in government maybe the media ought to report what he said (if they're going to bother at all) making that point quite clear and not exaggerating his influence and extrapolating it to govt. policy.

Too exciting for them. The Telegraph loved it especially with the comparison to the Falklands.