Unstoppable migration?

[Osem]

The deadly capsizing of a migrant boat in the Mediterranean has been caught on camera by the Italian navy as it rescued 562 people.

The trawler overturned apparently as a result of people on board rushing to one side after spotting a rescue ship, and five were found dead.

People clung desperately to the deck or dropped into the sea.

Italy's Bettica patrol boat threw life rafts and jackets while another Italian ship sent rescue boats.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36383897

Nearly 6,000 migrants trying to reach Europe illegally have been rescued from flimsy craft in the Mediterranean in recent days.
Aid agencies say the sea-crossing between Libya and Italy is the main route for migrants since an EU deal with Turkey curbed the number sailing across the Aegean to Greece.

Well it's good to see that the EU's plan to stem the flow of migrants and refugees is working so well for all concerned. Did anyone in Eurolalaland really think bribing the Turks would solve the problem as opposed to simply moving it to another well known and even more dangerous route? The problem is that Europe is now perceived as the place to go - pay your life savings, get in a leaky boat with hundreds of others and you'll be picked up and transported to a better life. The reality, whatever that turns out to be*, doesn't matter, they choose to believe they'll be OK, welcomed and won't have to go back. That's why they take the risk and so many wind up, tragically, dead.

* and we know that it won't be good for a proportion of them.

Meanwhile the arguments in Europe continue and the rift grows...

Migration fears spark Italy-Austria border row at Brenner

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36302422

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Members of this forum were complaining about whinging on this subject, many weeks ago.

But the pure facts are. the Migration has gone up by over 300.000 and we had the tragic incidents with the boat over turning.

But the facts are, the governments from various countries are sitting on the backsides, and doing absolutely nothing about stopping the traffickers - absolutely NOTHING.

Cameron is going round the globe on various meetings, and saying WITH other countries We are doing what we can.

Well, its not working. EVERYDAY we have coastgaurds picking up migrants from the sea, we have police stopping HGVs with migrants in the rear.

We have the intelligents agaents, border controls overstrectehed, we have to find these traffickers FIRST. Then close OUR BOARDERS. If it takes several hours to search vehicles. Then so be it.

These migrants will find ANYWHERE on a vehicle to stow away. In a London newspaper, it showed a stowaway curled up inside a CAR ENGINE COMPARTMENT, that's how desperate the guy was to get into this country.

In my regular job, l encountered a guy came from RUSSIA, that's a new one on me.

We have to close our borders, strengthen Border Controls so tight, that you wont get.

BUT, these Traffickers ruin peoples lives, with the jollities of British culture. Pay thousands of pound to get to this countries. Only for it to end in Death or part of a slave trade.

We have to find these Traffickers, and shut them down.

But Cameron and Co wont do that - he will claim that they will add to the Economy. Absolutely tosh. He wont know where they are, and start claiming Benefit, by using false docs.

I am going over to what UKIP are saying.

[heero_yuy]

DAVID Cameron turned a deaf ear to the nation’s immigration fears yesterday as figures showed net migration hit a near-record 333,000 last year.

The PM, in Japan for a G7 summit, refused to answer questions on the shocking statistic even though immigration is the No1 concern for millions of EU referendum voters.

The number of extra migrants that came to Britain in 2015 would fill Wembley Stadium almost four times over.

The figures also showed 77,000 EU migrants who came for work — or 43 per cent — did not have a job when they got here.

Brexit backing Boris Johnson said the statistics made a mockery of the PM’s six-year-old promise to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands — and highlighted the impossibility of getting a grip on immigration while the UK is handcuffed by the EU’s open borders policy.

The Tory said: “We must face the fact the system has spun out of control. We cannot control the terms on which people come.”

He added: “If people elect politicians on a manifesto to bring it down to the tens of thousands then I think they have a right to see that pledge fulfilled.

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[Osem]

Well to be fair it is in the 'tens of thousands' - the problem is it's approximately 33 of them...

[Ramrod]

Hundreds of people from the Génération Identitaire movement have marched in Paris, protesting against Islamisation, mass migration, and Islamist terror.

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Good!

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

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Good!

The French government, like ours, totally ignores rallies of people in their thousands, so 500 won't even raise an eyebrow. But it's a start.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Again today, and last week in the same place. I was under the impression that British Waters were controlled by The Royal Navy, or coastgaurds.

Its true what the lad said on Tv tonight, following the Immigrants that came onto British shores. What happens if IS are coming to the UK, there is NOTHING STOPPING THEM

Arthur, try thinking...

Unless we have a picket line of boats a couple of thousand miles long undertaking visual checks (with enough crew on board to cover multiple shifts), it is impossible to cover all of our coast line against incursions of small rigid inflatable boats - they don't show up on radar.

[Mr K]

Nothing stopping the Welsh coming into the country either and who's doing anything about that ? Also I'm sure there were Lancastrian's in York the other week; it's a bloody disgrace taking our jobs. Kick 'em all out I say.

[Osem]

I'm not sure how more patrol boats would help control the numbers because, even where migrant vessels are stopped, the current policy isn't to turn them back, it's to bring them and their occupants safely to shore, hence giving what they wanted all along. The Albanians in the latest boat emanated from Calais and are certainly not refugees from a war zone.

[Ramrod]

You couldn't make this up:

A 23-year-old Iraqi migrant was brutally attacked on Monday while making his way back to asylum accommodation in Berlin, Germany. Three men reportedly attacked him in Karl Marx Street, beating him senseless and tearing his clothing off him before fleeing.

His offence appears to have been a religious one, evidenced by the destruction of the shirt. It is understood the attackers may have misunderstood the humour behind the “I’m Muslim, Don’t Panic” t-shirt. Believing it to be critical of their religion, rather than an ironic comment on the attitude of others towards it, they decided to give the wearer a reason to panic.

Soon after the attack two men — a 27-year-old Syrian and a Lebanese 33-year-old — were arrested and charged with grievous bodily harm.

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So it would seem that some degree of concern is actually in order if there are muslims about

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hugh.,
I appreciate that we cannot patrol every inch of the British Isles. BUT, today in one of the Major papers. A first sea Lord, stated that due to the severe cuts made by Cameron and Co.

This country could not even fight a war, as we don't have enough ships.

What we have here, is quite simple. Anyone who thinks they can get a boat - of any type. Sail across the English channel, and bingo you are in the UK.

Border Officer were cut in half, in the cuts. Coastguards must be having endless nights in the Channel, thinking who are we going to pick up next.

We have now have BRITS under arrest from the other night on the flimsy boat that landed on our shores.

IF, this can be done more than once over the past few weeks. Can you imagine how many Terrorist come into the country.

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Just seen this article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-accepting-10/

Could this be the answer. Got me thinking.
If Countries are allowing migrants, and we do not know how many. We are allowing them in, but when will it stop.

Then there are claims of racism.

What do members think

[Taf]

The Turkish President has just told Turkish women not to use birth control (after earlier saying they should all have at least 3 children). Maybe he's worried they won't be enough left for him to govern once they get EU membership?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36413097

Arthur, we have 7,700 miles of coastline - how do we guard/patrol that much?

We would need a picket line of ships, approximately 800 yards apart, which would mean we would need over 15,000 ships - no one has a navy that size.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Arthur, we have 7,700 miles of coastline - how do we guard/patrol that much?

We would need a picket line of ships, approximately 800 yards apart, which would mean we would need over 15,000 ships - no one has a navy that size.

... and just think how many migrants we'd need to man them all 24/7/52...