Operation Yewtree

Originally Posted by danielf

I think it'll probably be tricky to take away his knighthood. Still I think it's good this is coming to light. True, as some have argued it's not going to change anything, since he's dead anyway, but I think it's important we understand how he got away with it. Plus there should probably be consequences for certain people within the BBC if it can be shown they did not act upon credible evidence they did have.

All of that is presuming the allegations are true, but with what's been coming out over the last couple of days, it's not looking good for 'Sir Jimmy'.

No I agree it's good. There isn't any merit in the argument that his death makes this pointless, his alleged victims are still alive and why should he have the honor of being idolised if these allegations are true?

[Caff]

Originally Posted by Damien

You can take away someones Knighthood and I imagine that's what will happen here if it's proved to a certain degree. It's rather difficult that there isn't a court case so by revoking his Knighthood it would be an official presumption of guilt from the state. I imagine they'll be wary of doing it.

It's a toughie isn't it?

Anyhow - I'll wait for the final judgement. Never liked the guy but it doesn't mean that he broke the law.
I'll wait for the outcome, which I'm sure will be thouroughly pondered over.

I can see this strolling on for years. And quite a few of us will be paying for it (£s)

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Derek

Except that's not what happened. When the PCSO's arrived the child was submerged, out of sight, and no one could tell them where they were last seen. In those circumstances I wouldn't wade into water in the hope I'd stumble across a body.

Anyway back from rumour control it's clear there have been stories circulating about jimmy saville for years, the main story for me isn't what did or didn't happen but rather did the BBC kill a previous enquiry and if so who and why decided to do that.

Didn't the first proper policeman on the scene wade straight in and fish him out, tbh if I ever found myself in that situation I'd hope I do the same as him, not sure I could live with myself or look at my own children if I'd done nothing.

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Originally Posted by Russ

Absolutely. Back in the 70s (and to some extent the 80s) Saville was a very powerful entity. And in an industry where reputation and perception is everything, anyone breaking ranks and making allegations about him would be committing career suicide if not backed up by similar powerful names. It could even be argued that these silent people should share some of his alleged guilt.

And when his star waned he had his charity work to fall back on, as one hack said when he approached him on the allegations "do you want to be responsible for stoke Mandeville not getting their new scanner"

[RichardCoulter]

I said this, based upon a discussion on LBC radio "Remember the case where two PCSO's left a child to drown as it would have "breached health and safety regulations" for them to enter the water?"

I also recall that they said action had been taken against the two PCSO's.

Then Derek said this:

Originally Posted by Derek

Except that's not what happened. When the PCSO's arrived the child was submerged, out of sight, and no one could tell them where they were last seen. In those circumstances I wouldn't wade into water in the hope I'd stumble across a body.

Then The Daddy said this:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Didn't the first proper policeman on the scene wade straight in and fish him out, tbh if I ever found myself in that situation I'd hope I do the same as him, not sure I could live with myself or look at my own children if I'd done nothing.

So, either they all relate to different incidents, or the incidents have all got mixed up!

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

And when his star waned he had his charity work to fall back on, as one hack said when he approached him on the allegations "do you want to be responsible for stoke Mandeville not getting their new scanner"

So, we have total manipulation, control and domination- all traits of a typical paedophile.

Achieved through bullying (a friend who worked with him in the radio industry said he was arrogant and bad tempered), threats of legal action (he is said to have threatened or actually sued people often), guilt trips (Stoke Mandeville scanner) and actual or perceived threats to damage BBC careers.

His charity work may have been either a distraction or a desire to get close to vulnerable children eg those with illnesses or without parents.

There has been an allegation that he molested a sick girl and a poster on this thread has said that Barnardos told staff not to leave him alone with boy scouts.

I know we are all innocent until proven guilty (and a deceased person can't be found guilty in a court of law), no matter how man allegations are made against us.

However, on this occasion, unless the UK is suffering from mass hysteria, I now think that, with all the different people coming forward, from all walks of life and from different times, that there must surely be something in it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I said this, based upon a discussion on LBC radio "Remember the case where two PCSO's left a child to drown as it would have "breached health and safety regulations" for them to enter the water?"

I also recall that they said action had been taken against the two PCSO's.

Then Derek said this:



Then The Daddy said this:



So, either they all relate to different incidents, or the incidents have all got mixed up!

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So, we have total manipulation, control and domination- all traits of a typical paedophile.

Achieved through bullying (a friend who worked with him in the radio industry said he was arrogant and bad tempered), threats of legal action (he is said to have threatened or actually sued people often), guilt trips (Stoke Mandeville scanner) and actual or perceived threats to damage BBC careers.

His charity work may have been either a distraction or a desire to get close to vulnerable children eg those with illnesses or without parents.

There has been an allegation that he molested a sick girl and a poster on this thread has said that Barnardos told staff not to leave him alone with boy scouts.

I know we are all innocent until proven guilty (and a deceased person can't be found guilty in a court of law), no matter how man allegations are made against us.

However, on this occasion, unless the UK is suffering from mass hysteria, I now think that, with all the different people coming forward, from all walks of life and from different times, that there must surely be something in it.

Nope same incident, before we drag this of topic any further all I'll add is they have to live with themselves for what they did that day.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1565292/PCSOs-who-stood-by-as-boy-drowned-named.html

[Itshim]

Mods. Am I the only one that thinks that this discussion should not come under entertainment any more ? I see why it would have started out there - questionable even then but now ?

Originally Posted by Itshim

Mods. Am I the only one that thinks that this discussion should not come under entertainment any more ? I see why it would have started out there - questionable even then but now ?

Yeah, good point. Moved to current affairs.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah, good point. Moved to current affairs.

Thank you

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Gary L

What annoys me about all this is. we're getting 'celebrities' coming forward and speaking up now about how they more or less knew or suspected what was going on.

don't they realise how that comes across, and what it says about them personally?
.

Gary

Excellent post now what have you done with the real GaryL

The celebrities coming forward as yet haven't offered anything that would have stood up on it's own. Saying 'I suspected' it isn't enough, nor is 'I heard rumours' or 'i am not surprised. Everyone is coming forward with small parts of a much bigger picture. If these allegations were stated by just one of these public figures alone then they would have been killed by the media for calling a 'great man' a child abuser based on hearsay.

[RichardCoulter]

Rumours now going round Leeds he was also into necrophilia.

Loads of people saying he used to hang around Leeds General Hospital mortuary.

Whether this is true, or whether it is people adding fuel to the fire to make the story more "juicy" remains to be seen.

It'll be interesting to see if tonights programme touches upon this.

[Derek]

One of Irvine Welsh's short stories (from ecstasy I think) is a pretty thinly disguised attack on Saville and alleged he was into very unsavory acts.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Gary

Excellent post now what have you done with the real GaryL

Thanks.
I'm just standing in for him till the weekend.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Thanks.
I'm just standing in for him till the weekend.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Derek

One of Irvine Welsh's short stories (from ecstasy I think) is a pretty thinly disguised attack on Saville and alleged he was into very unsavory acts.

The first comment on this link refers to this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...en-documentary

On Loose Women today, they were saying that it is important to remember that it was the culture in the 70's and 80's for men to regard women as sex objects, but that this was usually women of legal age that were groped etc

Thankfully, in the main, the younger generation don't feel this way and most middle aged men seem to have matured enough to realise that this was wrong.

I say most, but you still get the odd idiot who refers to women as "birds" to be "picked up", that they would sleep with a man just because he has a certain accent or that they are automatically "easy" because of where they live!