Application Throttling/Management

[NotaVMFan]

Originally Posted by Gary L

There's 2 things that are going to happen here.

1 is when they do implement application management, whether it be throttling or whatever. they will have proved that they lied. and can't be trusted to ever tell the truth resulting in everyone leaving and the company goes bust.

2 is they change their mind and don't go ahead with implementing application management in any shape or form.

Wonder which one they are gonna go for?

I choose 1

[Angry@VMedia]

Originally Posted by NotaVMFan

I choose 1

BUT there will still be the not-so-tech savvy, and the users that dont freqent here that will know nothing about it, and IF they do actually call up to complain, they will be force fed the usual bullcrap that their pc is infected with viri / spyware or their network card is buggered, and if its the less tech savvy people, then they will actually believe virgin!!

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by NotaVMFan

I choose 1

I think this is the first time when they have denied something is happening or is going to happen (I guess you could say officially)
making that (I guess you could say official) statement, and taking into account the fact that they already do the very same thing on their ADSL offering.

The Virgin *we are in a bit of a pickle* team

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Angry@VMedia

BUT there will still be the not-so-tech savvy, and the users that dont freqent here that will know nothing about it, and IF they do actually call up to complain, they will be force fed the usual bullcrap that their pc is infected with viri / spyware or their network card is buggered, and if its the less tech savvy people, then they will actually believe virgin!!

People who are on 20mb use their connection, they don't pay out just to browse and get emails. I'm sure they know's exactly what's going on.

When or if this comes into force, for what real reason is left to stay on 20mb or 50mb, or VM as a whole.

[brundles]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

People who are on 20mb use their connection, they don't pay out just to browse and get emails. I'm sure they know's exactly what's going on.

When or if this comes into force, for what real reason is left to stay on 20mb or 50mb, or VM as a whole.

A while back now, back in the days of NTL wasn't there some master plan to put everyone on 10meg (as was the top speed back then) and then charge people for usage - similar to the price plans from ADSL providers like BT?

The more we move towards 24/7 STM and this application throttling (OK, they denied throttling applications but that leaves plenty of scope for destinations, ports, etc) the more the drive is for a higher package to get higher bandwidth rather than the speed.

I've said it before, and I still think this is the case, but I believe the end goal here is to "encourage" people like me on 4meg to upgrade to a higher packager just to be able to use my connection now as I was a year ago. They're banking on the fact that just because you give someone faster speeds doesn't mean their usage changes. The more people on the higher packages, the more revenue for the same cost (in theory anyway).

[peanut]

Originally Posted by brundles

A while back now, back in the days of NTL wasn't there some master plan to put everyone on 10meg (as was the top speed back then) and then charge people for usage - similar to the price plans from ADSL providers like BT?

The more we move towards 24/7 STM and this application throttling (OK, they denied throttling applications but that leaves plenty of scope for destinations, ports, etc) the more the drive is for a higher package to get higher bandwidth rather than the speed.

I've said it before, and I still think this is the case, but I believe the end goal here is to "encourage" people like me on 4meg to upgrade to a higher packager just to be able to use my connection now as I was a year ago. They're banking on the fact that just because you give someone faster speeds doesn't mean their usage changes. The more people on the higher packages, the more revenue for the same cost (in theory anyway).

I totally agree with what you're saying, but when you're paying £38 for it the fun soon wears off when you can't use what you're paying out for. There are cheaper alternatives out there.

I understand what you're saying, if the 10mb was stm free then I'll gladly down grade. As it stands I do feel like I don't have a choice in the matter as that tier to me is totally pointless as it is now, my only alternative is to look elsewhere and in time all those upgrading will probably feel the same too.

[brundles]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

I totally agree with what you're saying, but when you're paying £38 for it the fun soon wears off when you can't use what you're paying out for. There are cheaper alternatives out there.

I understand what you're saying, if the 10mb was stm free then I'll gladly down grade. As it stands I do feel like I don't have a choice in the matter as that tier to me is totally pointless as it is now, my only alternative is to look elsewhere and in time all those upgrading will probably feel the same too.

Sorry, I don't think I explained it properly. I'm wondering if they'll put us all on the top speed (20meg) and then the price gets us an allowance STM/throttling. So instead of BB M being 2 meg unlimited*, it's 20 meg with a 3GB monthly limit (for example).

The thing that's really doing VM no favours is that a number of heavy users here wouldn't object to paying a decent price for a decent service. It's paying a decent price and getting messed around that annoys us.


(* = Except for when VM decide it's limited in some random arbitrary way that results in a phonecall to TS to be told your PC has a virus, etc)

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by TraxData

I will just clarify something here.

VM are using this to throttle p2p and usenet for people they class as "heavy" users.

That may be the reason VM give for doing this, but the main reason is to make money out of video downloading. I've said this several times on this site over the last 3 years. To make money out of legal downloads, they have to clamp down on the illegal first.

Originally Posted by TraxData

Scrap that, now my name is posted everywhere i might just keep quiet lol.

Don't worry about it, VM made this public about 3 weeks ago anyway - at least to the City bods.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Neptune

Don't worry about it, VM made this public about 3 weeks ago anyway - at least to the City bods.

You got a link to that as it will show that VM are lying in there denial today. ???

[Horizon]

They're not lying, the PR people don't know what's coming in the future.

Neil Berkett told City analysts that anti piracy measures would be brought in next year. He mentions it in one of the webcasts. Either the last Merryl Lynch one or Lehman Brothers one available from here:

http://investors.virginmedia.com/pho...onsVirginMedia

You may be asked to register to listen to the webcasts, just use any name and email address.

If I have time tommorow, I'll endure going through each one of them again and I'll post at exactly what time point in the webcast he mentions it.

[Ed2020]

Originally Posted by Neptune

Neil Berkett told City analysts that anti piracy measures would be brought in next year.

Making your service so cack that everyone leaves is a novel approach to combating piracy! Effective though. No users = no piracy on our network.

Ed.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Will give you an answer to that question by tomorrow morning

Update.

Just passed 4.8 gig since midnight and as yet no STM, So ether the threshold is higher or the STM the other night was a faulty activation. Will continue to monitor this over the next week.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Update.

Just passed 4.8 gig since midnight and as yet no STM, So ether the threshold is higher or the STM the other night was a faulty activation. Will continue to monitor this over the next week.

Threshold is 9GB overnight.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Threshold is 9GB overnight.

Well i have set for a higher download than that so will leave it running and see what happens

[BenMcr]

There isn't suppose to be ANY trigger threshold outside the published hours.