Application Throttling/Management

[AmAtoL]

This is me now, obviously not STM but pretty poor d/l all the same...



That's my 20 meg, BT man is coming Friday to do the business.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by broadbandbug

I am sure they will do so when they introduce the Nagra 3 system

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That is not STM!

Want to explain why its now clear then



After my conversation with the famous tech support

Wonder if he reset something

Considering this is now at the peek time i should be just as bad as before if it was congestion.

Maybe it was just alittle he-cup then sirius

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by darthlinux

Maybe it was just alittle he-cup then sirius

Well my modem did reboot all by its self about 20 mins ago.

thats the reason why then maybe a software upgrade

[PeteTheMusicGuy]

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

I doubt VM could afford Tony so they might have to settle for the bloke from the Mr Muscle ad. I think Trax can rest easy

Very good

[Chrysalis]

The problem here is no regulation is stopping this rubbish, it could be argued VM have been slow on doing this as already the majority of adsl isps traffic shape. Because they get away with it then it becomes a disadvantage to not traffic shape customers because you then have higher costs over your competitors. (which is cheaper buying capacity or throttling speeds).

So the uk broadband market, the highest speeds for sale but only for fast web browsing as anything that uses sustained bandwidth is tried to be throttled back. Sky is probably the only major isp currently not employing throttling.

[brundles]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

The problem here is no regulation is stopping this rubbish, it could be argued VM have been slow on doing this as already the majority of adsl isps traffic shape. Because they get away with it then it becomes a disadvantage to not traffic shape customers because you then have higher costs over your competitors. (which is cheaper buying capacity or throttling speeds).

What you say makes sense, but the lack of throttling is also a competitive advantage - one that VM are still trumpeting about (albeit in a very carefully worded fashion!). While VMs new customer, discounted, prices are relatively competitive their standard prices are distinctly uncompetitive - something people have agreed to pay because of that previously mentioned competitive advantage.

Will VM be revising their pricing strategy in line with the revised service? Somehow I doubt it.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Games cause problems on sky as well, thus why they no longer let you keep interleaving on (i believe?)

They use more uplink bandwith than you think and believe it or not there is alot more gamers than there is p2p users online at the same time, each card is only 38mbit and uplinks soon get saturated (this is the main reason for slow speeds, rather than people downloading 24/7)

some honesty at last Downloaders have been the scapegoat for god knows how long, how this came about maybe isps planted people to start it off on forums, and isps themselves directly passing the blame on. But ultimately the cause of congestion is overselling of the product, over subscription, over contended what term people prefer the most.

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Originally Posted by brundles

What you say makes sense, but the lack of throttling is also a competitive advantage - one that VM are still trumpeting about (albeit in a very carefully worded fashion!). While VMs new customer, discounted, prices are relatively competitive their standard prices are distinctly uncompetitive - something people have agreed to pay because of that previously mentioned competitive advantage.

Will VM be revising their pricing strategy in line with the revised service? Somehow I doubt it.

I dont know of any isps openly advertising they dont throttle other than aaisp and only on their own website. The biggest marketing tool in the uk at current is low price followed by high burst speed. Its why various adsl isps have no issue selling a 24mbit product for £10 that less than 1% of people will get that speed and is clearly oversold. I do know of isps saying that the fact they throttle as well is to improve your connection so they sometimes use it as a selling point. Throttling/shaping has infected the uk marketplace and is considered as normal practice now and is very worrying.

[Ignitionnet]

Sky are using an automagic dynamic line management system but would have no trouble with interleave at all. Interleave actually saves Sky bandwidth.

There are no upload issues on Sky either, DSL being as it is there's equal bandwidth apart from at the customer's DSL line itself in both directions.

Think you're a bit confused somewhere on that one.

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Sky are using an automagic dynamic line management system but would have no trouble with interleave at all. Interleave actually saves Sky bandwidth.

There are no upload issues on Sky either, DSL being as it is there's equal bandwidth apart from at the customer's DSL line itself in both directions.

Think you're a bit confused somewhere on that one.

Sky stopped using interleaving due to it causing problems on the network, these days they wont let anyone use it.

Correct about the upload issues, i think it's fairly sad when ADSL manages to outdo cable.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Sky stopped using interleaving due to it causing problems on the network, these days they wont let anyone use it.

Correct about the upload issues, i think it's fairly sad when ADSL manages to outdo cable.

Who told you that? I'm sure the mass of people on interleaved profiles (the default) would be interested in that one.

The Sky DSL service is intended to be as reliable as possible rather than going for high bandwidth and low latency. Why? Because it's there as an upsell and potentially to carry VoD which really doesn't like the CRC errors that interleaving is there to mitigate.

I've never known the Lucent Stinger to have issues with interleave at all.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

The Sky DSL service is intended to be as reliable as possible

Hmm. Based on my own experience of Sky Broadband, what was intended and what happens are two different things. I had a year of ranging from 16Mb down to 512Kb and back again, most of the time 6/7 times a day

[dragon]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I dont know of any isps openly advertising they dont throttle other than aaisp and only on their own website. The biggest marketing tool in the uk at current is low price followed by high burst speed. Its why various adsl isps have no issue selling a 24mbit product for £10 that less than 1% of people will get that speed and is clearly oversold. I do know of isps saying that the fact they throttle as well is to improve your connection so they sometimes use it as a selling point. Throttling/shaping has infected the uk marketplace and is considered as normal practice now and is very worrying.

BE*, they have a FUP to cover themselves but i've never known them to actually contact anyone about their usage.

[|Kippa|]

One of the worst things about Virgin Media is they keep the customers constantly in the dark. Like when the new STM times came in to effect I had to get make a formal complaint because I was being STM'd outside what I thought were the official times, only to be informed that it was new STM times. They hadn't even updated their traffic managment page. They only updated it quite a long time after they implemented it.

At the very least, they should inform the customers that there is going to be some changes say at least a week before bringing them in, and when they do make the changes AT LEAST inform them of the changes. Public relations is something they really need to get better at.