19-04-2012, 13:12
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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Half of the BSF was done under PFI, which just put off-loaded the debt to future generations - so not only did we, as a country, spend more than we could afford, we also indebted future generations.
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I agree that PFI was a big mistake, nou doubt about that  
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19-04-2012, 13:16
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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Half of the BSF was done under PFI, which just put off-loaded the debt to future generations - so not only did we, as a country, spend more than we could afford, we also indebted future generations.
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Yeah, but if we had a world government and radical reform...... blah, blah, blah... 
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19-04-2012, 13:16
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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There are more types of Capitalism than "Free Market" and more types of Democracy than "Neo Liberal"
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If I remember rightly, your "better form" of Democracy was Autocracy*.....
*a system of government by one person with absolute power
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19-04-2012, 13:17
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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If I remember rightly, your "better form" of Democracy was Autocracy*.....
*a system of government by one person with absolute power
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No, a form of democracy that cares more for the working people and less for the wealthy and major businesses
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19-04-2012, 13:22
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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No, a form of democracy that cares more for the working people and less for the wealthy and major businesses |
To me that statement shows how little you understand of democracy or any other kind of 'acy or 'ism
Democracy has nothing to do with how workers are treated ,it's how democracy is applied that makes the difference and that is down to individuals and how much people use democracy to reach a consensus of opinion to form a government/ruling body
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19-04-2012, 13:27
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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To me that statement shows how little you understand of democracy or any other kind of 'acy or 'ism
Democracy has nothing to do with how workers are treated ,it's how democracy is applied that makes the difference and that is down to individuals and how much people use democracy to reach a consensus of opinion to form a government/ruling body
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What you do not understand is that the Neo-Liberal kind allows major businesses and the wealthy to dominate the affairs of government, I am calling for a reform to Democracy
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19-04-2012, 13:29
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Re: Unemployment is rising
But unfortunately, Alan, imho your definition of democracy is where you get what you want, and sod anyone else's point of view.
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19-04-2012, 13:29
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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Half of the BSF was done under PFI, which just put off-loaded the debt to future generations - so not only did we, as a country, spend more than we could afford, we also indebted future generations.
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And being government contracts, we (the tax payer) were probably overcharged on a massive scale.
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19-04-2012, 13:31
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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No, a form of democracy that cares more for the working people and less for the wealthy and major businesses |
this from someone who freely admits to being in the top 0.6% of the UK's wealth?
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19-04-2012, 13:38
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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To me that statement shows how little you understand of democracy or any other kind of 'acy or 'ism
Democracy has nothing to do with how workers are treated ,it's how democracy is applied that makes the difference and that is down to individuals and how much people use democracy to reach a consensus of opinion to form a government/ruling body
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I was going to say more or less the same thing....but very well put 
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19-04-2012, 13:41
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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this from someone who freely admits to being in the top 0.6% of the UK's wealth?
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Ahem.....
Claims to be.... 
Sometimes, his statements contradict this (and each other)...
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I do give money to the homeless and direct them to charities, but the money of the rich will make a much bigger diffrence tham me alone
Also under a "World government" I will make it clear that we are in power not for our sake, nut for the sake for Humans and Earth. There will still be a independent media (all under the BBC), if they find sometihng wrong, they can report it
I am not a extremist, i have not anything in relation to communism and facism, all I have said Is that we need radcial reform to democracy and capitalism via democratic means or not
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I do not have much excess income and I do not deliberately avoid or take advantage tax avoiding schemes. Also the UK average wage is too low for anyone to live on, pay the mortgage etc and for goodness sake I am not part of the problem since I am not a member of the 1%.
I am not keen on giving money to charities because they are wasteful and they do not help develop nations, no nation has become a major power was developed with the help of charity.
Even If I donate all the money I have, it will not make much of a difference, if all the rich did though is that would make a difference.
What you do not get is that most of the world’s wealth is in the hands of the wealthy (which I am not a member of). So what we need is a world government and radical reforms to democracy and capitalism
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I pay all my taxes and I have made it clear why I do not give to charity, becuase it does not make a diffence, becuase so much money is wasted on corruption etc
This is nothing more that a attempt by the defenders of a failed system to move the agurement away from the real issues!
The trouble with you lot is that you are lying to yourselfs!
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19-04-2012, 13:42
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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But unfortunately, Alan, imho your definition of democracy is where you get what you want, and sod anyone else's point of view.
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My definiton of democracy is were the working people get the decent jobs and the biggest say in the way things are run
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19-04-2012, 13:42
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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But unfortunately, Alan, imho your definition of democracy is where you get what you want, and sod anyone else's point of view.
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And using violence, terrorism, rioting, and murder to impose it.
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19-04-2012, 13:43
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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And being government contracts, we (the tax payer) were probably overcharged on a massive scale.
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Which we have to pay the price for 
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this from someone who freely admits to being in the top 0.6% of the UK's wealth?
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We it is better than lying, and it am not even a millionaire, so I cannot influence government policy can I?
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19-04-2012, 13:44
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Re: Unemployment is rising
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My definiton of democracy is were the working people get the decent jobs and the biggest say in the way things are run
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That is not democracy Alan ,i'm not sure what it is but it's definately not democracy
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